Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead

[1701-e]

Originally Posted by Chris

In the immediate aftermath of a political assassination almost certainly perpetrated by someone who thinks whether someone’s opinions are decent is adequate grounds for murder …. Your hot take is that now is the time to discuss how decent he is?

Another poster already stated that he was a decent man. I'm just replying.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i wonder what his stance on guns was

Something along the lines of gun deaths were sad but a price worth paying for the 2nd ammendment

I see a few people making hay with that sentiment today, but the truth is, that view is implicit in everyone who believes in widespread private gun ownership in America. Much as we believe we should be allowed to own and drive private cars, despite knowing people will die in road accidents.

(I don’t equate the two myself, but it’s usefully illustrative of a mindset we find hard to understand in this country).

[thenry]

Pictures released of 'person of interest'

https://news.sky.com/story/charlie-k...#liveblog-body

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1701-e

Yes, apparently a decent bloke

A 30sec clipped. That’s what you’re basing your assessment on?

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And if you want to know he was making the absurd point that Black people were safer in the days of slavery than they are today. Highlighting the sad reality of the volume of black on black deaths, that no one seems to want to address.

He was not advocating slavery.

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Both people and neither should have died, don't you agree?

Yes, but nothing to do with the point I was making.

[noel43]

Originally Posted by thenry

Pictures released of 'person of interest'

https://news.sky.com/story/charlie-k...#liveblog-body

Third time lucky yea. They've already arrested two then released tyhem

[thenry]

Originally Posted by Pierre

And if you want to know he was making the absurd point that Black people were safer in the days of slavery than they are today. Highlighting the sad reality of the volume of black on black deaths, that no one seems to want to address.

He was not advocating slavery.

Two wrongs don't make a right

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by thenry

Two wrongs don't make a right

If you don’t understand, I can’t help you.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

And if you want to know he was making the absurd point that Black people were safer in the days of slavery than they are today. Highlighting the sad reality of the volume of black on black deaths, that no one seems to want to address.

He was not advocating slavery.

It feels a bit inappropriate to be critical of what Kirk has said, but it's not really true though given the slaves who died at sea and on the plantations.

I hope they find Kirk's killer. My thoughts are with his family and friends. I can't imagine what they're going through.

[thenry]

Originally Posted by Pierre

If you don’t understand, I can’t help you.

I understand taking 'X' from here and 'Y' from there to equal bs. Where was his point going?

Also I initially thought this guy was the famous kebab man CZN Burak

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

I see a few people making hay with that sentiment today, but the truth is, that view is implicit in everyone who believes in widespread private gun ownership in America. Much as we believe we should be allowed to own and drive private cars, despite knowing people will die in road accidents.

(I don’t equate the two myself, but it’s usefully illustrative of a mindset we find hard to understand in this country).

You don't equate that mindset because it makes no sense, people die in road accidents, this was no accident and nor are any of the other mass shooting events that happen almost monthly if not weekly and I'll hazard a guess and say most Americans wouldn't feel their 2nd amendment rights were being violated if there were more stringent background checks and mental health checks to get guns

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

but it's not really true though given the slaves who died at sea and on the plantations.

Well you don’t have the data to back that up.

He was making a great point, that black people bang on about police shootings, or reparations or any other 1000 or so issues they shout racist at.

But they refuse to look inwards.

On average, more than 13,300 Black people die from gun violence each year.

That is an amazing statistic

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/repor...k-communities/

This disparity means that while five out of every 100,000 young white men in these counties die from gun homicides, nearly eleven in every 10,000 young Black men are killed in such incidents.

Spoiler, they’re not being shot by white people.

In that discussion Kirk was making the tongue in cheek observation they were safer as slaves, to make a point, as part of a longer discussion.

A 30sec clip of that discussion was presented on here by some idiots to try and paint him as a, I don’t know..racist or “indecent”.

Playing tricks like that, can get people shot.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Chris

I see a few people making hay with that sentiment today, but the truth is, that view is implicit in everyone who believes in widespread private gun ownership in America. Much as we believe we should be allowed to own and drive private cars, despite knowing people will die in road accidents.

(I don’t equate the two myself, but it’s usefully illustrative of a mindset we find hard to understand in this country).

Cars aren't designed to kill. Guns are.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Cars aren't designed to kill. Guns are.

Guns don’t kill people…rappers do.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Guns don’t kill people…rappers do.

Think you've taken a trip to bonkers land again. The chief suspect doesn't look much like a rapper. Even if he is, not sure rhythmic music is fatal. Appalling maybe.