Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I don’t think I do,

we’ll see how many people riot for Charlie v George Floyd.

One a decent man, one a drugged up felon.

A decent man? That's a matter of opinion right there...

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by peanut

A decent man? That's a matter of opinion right there...

Yes, what was indecent about him?

Yes, I’d like to hear that too. As far as I can tell he was a law-abiding citizen who used debate and public engagement to make his political points. That is, or used to be, universally recognised in democratic societies as inherently decent, regardless of whether their politics aligned with yours or not.

Having listened to him a bit whenever he’s dropped into my Xitter feed, I disagree with him plenty. One or two social issues I was broadly in agreement with, though even there it’s tough because American social politics are of a very particular stripe that don’t align nearly as well with ours as some would like to think.

But was he indecent? Receipts, please.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

And Republicans have said the Democrats are communists, stealing elections, baby killers, will take away gun rights and are the enemies from within.

I agree that American politics uses inflammatory language a lot, and they need to tone it down. I agree with you that this can lead to violence - albeit indirectly in most cases - but let's not pretend this is limited to one side of the political aisle.

In June, a Democratic politician called Melissa Hortman, was killed.

I think a lot of people need to think about the tone in which they conduct politics and have disagreements, but the people most to blame for political violence in a democracy are those who resort to it.

Don't remember flags being flown at half mast for them but I do remember the vitriol and jokes about Paul Pelosi but rather than use all these tragedies as reason to turn away from the extreme rhetoric they'll double down and ramp things up further and charlie kirk might even become the Horst Wessel of our times.

[damien c]

There is a lot going on within American poltics and news at the moment and it's disgusting!

Kirk was one of those people who would challenge the narratives being pushed, open up discussions with people and have a genuine conversation about issues and narratives.

I didn't agree with everything he said, but I watched a lot of his videos over the years, not the edited clips but the actual videos and he was pretty much always respectful, always willing to listen etc.

The fact that people are celebrating him being killed is sickening.

They still haven't identified the killer. That itself is going to allow conspiracies to fester, making an already precarious situation worse.

[Taf]

I've watched many of his one-to-one sessions with people he invited to publicly debate him. Most didn't want to debate, but just spout hate, bias and irrational dogma at him. But he always kept his cool and tried to reason with them all. He had very strong religious views, so was very anti-abortion, and that riled many who came to rant at him.

It was obvious that if you speak out against their beliefs, they take you out in whatever means they have at their disposal. All they want to hear is THEIR words coming out of OUR mouths, so hearing Charlie's sensible and reasoned responses to their idiotic ramblings makes them madder than usual. It is time to clear all places of education of the Leftie teachers who are doing the brainwashing of students of all ages worldwide.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I don’t think I do,

we’ll see how many people riot for Charlie v George Floyd.

One a decent man, one a drugged up felon.

Both people and neither should have died, don't you agree?

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Damien

And Republicans have said the Democrats are communists, stealing elections, baby killers, will take away gun rights and are the enemies from within.

I agree that American politics uses inflammatory language a lot, and they need to tone it down. I agree with you that this can lead to violence - albeit indirectly in most cases - but let's not pretend this is limited to one side of the political aisle.

In June, a Democratic politician called Melissa Hortman, was killed.

I think a lot of people need to think about the tone in which they conduct politics and have disagreements, but the people most to blame for political violence in a democracy are those who resort to it.

And beyond that, it's also a country that's become so numb to violence that stories like this: https://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-r...y?id=125452526 are just another day.

But which set of descriptions has a tendency for violence against them to be supported. IE "Nazis, authoritarians, going to subjugate you, imprison you, take away your rights, your freedoms,". Violence against those is almost encouraged. That is the key difference.


Hortman killing seems to be about a single issue, namely abortion, rather than a general political stance.

[thenry]

Is this the same guy being discussed here?

https://xcancel.com/WhoopingFeet/sta...586138009839#m

[1701-e]

Originally Posted by thenry

Is this the same guy being discussed here?

https://xcancel.com/WhoopingFeet/sta...586138009839#m

Yes, apparently a decent bloke

Originally Posted by 1701-e

Yes, apparently a decent bloke

Deserving of assassination?

[1701-e]

Originally Posted by Chris

Deserving of assassination?

No.

But hardly a decent bloke

Originally Posted by 1701-e

No.

But hardly a decent bloke

In the immediate aftermath of a political assassination almost certainly perpetrated by someone who thinks whether someone’s opinions are decent is adequate grounds for murder …. Your hot take is that now is the time to discuss how decent he is?

[papa smurf]

i wonder what his stance on guns was