Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2025/09...lie-kirk-shot/

Charlie Kirk was shot at an event at Utah Valley University in Orem, Utah on Wednesday.

Bystanders report seeing Kirk shot near his neck during a Q&A with students.

A suspect is in custody, according to a UVU alert sent to students. The campus is on lockdown.

This could be quite significant.

If you don't know who Kirk is, he is a right-wing commentator on the quite radical side. Quite popular amongst the MAGA base and more influential now that Trump is in power. If you're online and into American right-wing politics, you know this guy.

We don't know who shot him yet, and we don't know his status. People who've seen the videos say it doesn't look good.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Damien

If you're online and into American right-wing politics, you know this guy.
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Never heard of him, I'm glad to say.

[Pierre]

He is someone that challenges the lefts position, that is all.

He has been used in lots of memes as one of his things was to go to college campuses with a sign saying “I think xxxxxx Change my mind”

People always bang on about the “far right”, but the left are far more dangerous. Evidenced again.

America’s in trouble if it’s at the political killings stage now (or, hopefully, merely attempted - hopefully not fatal in this case, though it’s not looking good). You don’t have to have any opinion on Charlie Kirk at all to know this is very bad, and not to be celebrated in any way whatsoever, even by those who vehemently disagree with him.

It’s worth saying by the way, MAGA love him but he’s a straight up socially conservative campaigner and orator who speaks for a genuine section of American society and he would have had a profile whether or not Trump and MAGA was a thing. He’s toured in the UK as well. He isn’t a MAGA clone.

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I don’t think it helps to conflate Kirk with ‘Trump 2.0’ as he was a thing before Trump and (perhaps) will be after Trump.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

People always bang on about the “far right”, but the left are far more dangerous. Evidenced again.

This is just a few months on from a Democratic politician being murdered.

Unfourtely, this is a country prone to political violence.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Damien

This is just a few months on from a Democratic politician being murdered.

Unfourtely, this is a country prone to political violence.

It's prone to all violence. How many shootings in schools ? They love their guns. The right to shoot anyone they don't like is in their crap constitution.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

He is someone that challenges the lefts position, that is all.

He has been used in lots of memes as one of his things was to go to college campuses with a sign saying “I think xxxxxx Change my mind”

People always bang on about the “far right”, but the left are far more dangerous. Evidenced again.

One attempted assassination by an unknown gun man does not evidence one faction being more dangerous than another. You need to provide statistics to make that case, not try and weaponise this horrible situation.

Trump has confirmed Kirk has died.

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There was a person arrested at the time whose been released (and the poor guy was spread around the internet). Police have said the shooter was 200m away and has yet to to be found.

I’ve had to look away from Xitter. I’ve seen him shot, and having learned to recognise the setting I’ve rapidly scrolled past it three times more. Each one from a different angle. Both my daughters have been downstairs because they’ve seen it on TikTok. Meanwhile Missus is oblivious having never heard of him.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

One attempted assassination by an unknown gun man does not evidence one faction being more dangerous than another. You need to provide statistics to make that case, not try and weaponise this horrible situation.

Successful assassination, this is a major issue. Kirk has a large following.

How the American media cover this will speak volumes..I mean we know how it will play out.

George Floyd………….FFS. Black drugged up criminal, allegedly killed, but if unintentionally, by police……………….global riots.


Charlie Kirk…..reasonable white guy, intentionally murdered. …….we’ll see. I hope there are riots for him…..there won’t be.

Nobody is saying “hands up don’t shoot “ for Charlie.. who I think has a family……

I've seen it as well. Social media is horrible generally, but Twitter has become an unmoderated nightmare.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You need to provide statistics to make that case, not try and weaponise this horrible situation.

I don’t think I do,

we’ll see how many people riot for Charlie v George Floyd.

One a decent man, one a drugged up felon.

Originally Posted by Pierre

George Floyd………….FFS. Black drugged up criminal, allegedly killed, but if unintentionally, by police……………….global riots.


Charlie Kirk…..reasonable white guy, intentionally murdered. …….we’ll see. I hope there are riots for him…..there won’t be.

Nobody is saying “hands up don’t shoot “ for Charlie.. who I think has a family……

There weren't protests for the politicians who were shot over the last few years.

It's different if it's the state perceived to have done something, i.e the police, than if it's some random criminal.

Same reason there were protests for the murder of Sarah Everard but not for the two MPs who've been murdered in the UK. One of them has been perceived to be a problem with authority, such as the Met Police, and the others were widely acknowledged to be wrong.

Senior Democratic politicians and commentators have all come out to condemn this murder. It's universally seen as a bad thing. Who would you be protesting against?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

Senior Democratic politicians and commentators have all come out to condemn this murder. would you be protesting against?

Oh wow, they’ve condemned it.

Yet, for eight years they have said Trump, and Trump supporters, are Nazis, authoritarians, going to subjugate you, imprison you, take away your rights, your freedoms, they’re evil. You have no future.

And we’re supposed to be surprised when some one kills a Trump supporter, when they’ve been told all of the above?

This was inevitable. Kids have been orphaned because of it.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Oh wow, they’ve condemned it.

Yet, for eight years they have said Trump, and Trump supporters, are Nazis, authoritarians, going to subjugate you, imprison you, take away your rights, your freedoms, they’re evil. You have no future.

And we’re supposed to be surprised when some one kills a Trump supporter, when they’ve been told all of the above?

This was inevitable. Kids have been orphaned because of it.

And Republicans have said the Democrats are communists, stealing elections, baby killers, will take away gun rights and are the enemies from within.

I agree that American politics uses inflammatory language a lot, and they need to tone it down. I agree with you that this can lead to violence - albeit indirectly in most cases - but let's not pretend this is limited to one side of the political aisle.

In June, a Democratic politician called Melissa Hortman, was killed.

I think a lot of people need to think about the tone in which they conduct politics and have disagreements, but the people most to blame for political violence in a democracy are those who resort to it.

And beyond that, it's also a country that's become so numb to violence that stories like this: https://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-r...y?id=125452526 are just another day.