23-10-2015, 14:35
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Splitter
Hi all,
I currently have a Tivo box, V+ box and broadband.
The broadband is fed via the outside wall, upstairs and into a bedroom to the Superhub. Downstairs a two way splitter provides the connections to the Tivo in the front room and V+ box in the back room.
Im looking to use a three way splitter so I can relocate the Superhub to the front room.
Is this advisable?
Thanks for any info
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23-10-2015, 16:01
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Re: Splitter
It's doable as long as the power levels stay within acceptable margins.
You won't know until you try it though.
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24-10-2015, 16:50
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Re: Splitter
Very important what Pip has said. The three way splitters have odd attenuation characteristics. On mine, one of the ports is -7db.
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25-10-2015, 11:14
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Re: Splitter
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Very important what Pip has said. The three way splitters have odd attenuation characteristics. On mine, one of the ports is -7db.
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You mean I actually was right again?  
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25-10-2015, 11:22
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Re: Splitter
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Originally Posted by pip08456
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You have to ask?
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26-10-2015, 12:27
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Re: Splitter
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Very important what Pip has said. The three way splitters have odd attenuation characteristics. On mine, one of the ports is -7db.
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Indeed. They come in a couple of varieties. One is the signal split into 3 directly, ~5.5dB loss on all ports, the other a single split then one of the legs of that split split again, providing one port of ~3.5dB loss, usually labelled the 'power port', and two of ~7dB.
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26-10-2015, 16:28
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Re: Splitter
Off topic but when I saw the title I thought PFJ or JPF
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16-12-2015, 05:48
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Re: Splitter
Thanks for the replies and info.
Just to add a bit extra. The original cable which enter the house splits immediately. One into the Tivo box and another leading to a V+ box in the back room.
Would it be possible to split at the V+ box end? ie split a cable, which in theory has been split already?
Many thanks
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16-12-2015, 07:51
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Re: Splitter
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Originally Posted by whoareyou
Thanks for the replies and info.
Just to add a bit extra. The original cable which enter the house splits immediately. One into the Tivo box and another leading to a V+ box in the back room.
Would it be possible to split at the V+ box end? ie split a cable, which in theory has been split already?
Many thanks
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As long as the power permits it certainly. Can split as many times as you want, the only issues are the power levels and SNR.
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16-12-2015, 11:42
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Re: Splitter
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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet
As long as the power permits it certainly. Can split as many times as you want, the only issues are the power levels and SNR.
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Thanks, is there a way of me finding this out?
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16-12-2015, 12:42
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Re: Splitter
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Originally Posted by whoareyou
Thanks, is there a way of me finding this out?
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Yes. Look at the power levels reported by whatever is connected on that leg right now.
If it's a TiVo I'll leave someone who has one to advise
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17-12-2015, 05:02
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Re: Splitter
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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet
Yes. Look at the power levels reported by whatever is connected on that leg right now.
If it's a TiVo I'll leave someone who has one to advise 
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Thanks
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18-12-2015, 07:09
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Re: Splitter
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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet
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If it's a TiVo I'll leave someone who has one to advise 
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No sooner said than done:
Home > Help & Settings > System Information > Diagnostics
However........ "Danger Danger Will Robinson! Alien Xmas presents detected!.....
The Tivo signal stats are not totally reliable/accurate - nor to a certain lesser extent is the BB Shub!
You can't accurately get RxMer/SNR/FEC data on the upstream. So unless you have VM sourced "splitter" and "patch" cable then you're totally reliant on someone like QAS pointing you to the correct vendor source/part!
The engineer will have a pad/JDSU 1250 handheld DOCSIS metering and access to RedTools etc. Which provided he's got a calibrated meter with correct Area code configuration will be a lot more accurate for both downstream/upstream assessment.
That said when you're beta testing multiple firmware/hardware on both BB and Tivo some of us have to employ cascaded splitters/patch cables ourselves! (fortunately I'm close enough to streetcab and set the tap so I can just about run 2 SuperHubs and Tivo from my single internal drop)
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18-12-2015, 14:14
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Re: Splitter
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Originally Posted by horseman
No sooner said than done:
Home > Help & Settings > System Information > Diagnostics
However........ "Danger Danger Will Robinson! Alien Xmas presents detected!.....
The Tivo signal stats are not totally reliable/accurate - nor to a certain lesser extent is the BB Shub!
You can't accurately get RxMer/SNR/FEC data on the upstream. So unless you have VM sourced "splitter" and "patch" cable then you're totally reliant on someone like QAS pointing you to the correct vendor source/part!
The engineer will have a pad/JDSU 1250 handheld DOCSIS metering and access to RedTools etc. Which provided he's got a calibrated meter with correct Area code configuration will be a lot more accurate for both downstream/upstream assessment.
That said when you're beta testing multiple firmware/hardware on both BB and Tivo some of us have to employ cascaded splitters/patch cables ourselves! (fortunately I'm close enough to streetcab and set the tap so I can just about run 2 SuperHubs and Tivo from my single internal drop) 
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Thanks,
Its seems realistically im not going to get accurate data. So is it something I could simply just try (the splitter) or could I risk damaging equipment/signals?
If it didn't work would it just be a case or a poor signal (tv or internet)
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18-12-2015, 15:35
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Re: Splitter
Try it, if it doesn't work just change it back.
You won't damage anything with the attempt.
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