Children as young as four being radicalised ?

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by Russ

The point SB makes reminds me of a topic I'm always open to discussing yet I never seem to get a legitimate answer to (maybe I'm asking the wrong people?).

I accept Islam is a peaceful faith - and other religions have pondlife amongst their ranks - but what is it about Islam that *seems* to attract the biggest nutters?

Granted they are the absolute minority but it *seems* the majority of suicide bombers and those more in favour of violence to achieve their aims are Muslim (yes I know about the Crusades, an unforgivable time in Christianity, however I'm talking about 'now'). I've always wondered what it is that develops the sort of mentality you don't seem to find so much in the other faiths.

Or is it all down to selective reporting?

Good question Russ, whilst I'm sure there are a plethora of reasons for radicalizing certain elements of the Muslim community one which seems to rear its head continually is a sense of "victimhood".
I've seen programs where ex-radical Muslims tell of storys being banged into their heads about atrocities being committed against them in places like Chechnya and Palestine.
Obviously we are all aware that Chechnya has been a dirty brutal war, there is no denying that, but it needs leaders of these mosques to quash this overriding false sense of victimhood.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Russ

The point SB makes reminds me of a topic I'm always open to discussing yet I never seem to get a legitimate answer to (maybe I'm asking the wrong people?).

I accept Islam is a peaceful faith - and other religions have pondlife amongst their ranks - but what is it about Islam that *seems* to attract the biggest nutters?

Granted they are the absolute minority but it *seems* the majority of suicide bombers and those more in favour of violence to achieve their aims are Muslim (yes I know about the Crusades, an unforgivable time in Christianity, however I'm talking about 'now'). I've always wondered what it is that develops the sort of mentality you don't seem to find so much in the other faiths.

Or is it all down to selective reporting?

maybe its the rewards of martyrdom that attract this pond life ,when your god promises paradise etc what do you have to loose ?

But they will be disappointed when they get there, and find 72 raisins......

[danielf]

Perhaps it's more to do with differences in wealth rather than the religion?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by danielf

Perhaps it's more to do with differences in wealth rather than the religion?

in the midlands ?

West Midlands counter-terrorism police e-mailed community groups suggesting children could be targets for terrorist recruiters.

[danielf]

I meant the rise of radical Islam in general, not so much how and where it's spreading.

I don't think you can detach it from wider developments, like the Palestinian issue for example.

[SMG]

The rise of Radical Islamics has been allowed to progress by a rotten system, which panders to the foreigner. Instead of enforcing the law, it has allowed the situation to get out of hand.

We now have a country with a large foreign population, some of whom are ready to abuse our hospitality, & use our good will against us. We give refuge to known criminals, terrorist sympathisers, & other undesirables, again, some of whom who use Asylum as an excuse to enter.

We have a Government, which is too frightened, to actively take measures to curb it. The end result is we now offer subsidies & grants, to schools which have terrorist members as teachers.

We are actually paying our tax money, to recruit people to kill us.

[soicky]

Originally Posted by SMG

The rise of Radical Islamics has been allowed to progress by a rotten system, which panders to the foreigner. Instead of enforcing the law, it has allowed the situation to get out of hand.

We now have a country with a large foreign population, some of whom are ready to abuse our hospitality, & use our good will against us. We give refuge to known criminals, terrorist sympathisers, & other undesirables, again, some of whom who use Asylum as an excuse to enter.

We have a Government, which is too frightened, to actively take measures to curb it. The end result is we now offer subsidies & grants, to schools which have terrorist members as teachers.

We are actually paying our tax money, to recruit people to kill us.

You'll find most are home-grown so there's no need to use this to have a go at foreigners.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by SMG

The rise of Radical Islamics has been allowed to progress by a rotten system, which panders to the foreigner. Instead of enforcing the law, it has allowed the situation to get out of hand.

We now have a country with a large foreign population, some of whom are ready to abuse our hospitality, & use our good will against us. We give refuge to known criminals, terrorist sympathisers, & other undesirables, again, some of whom who use Asylum as an excuse to enter.

We have a Government, which is too frightened, to actively take measures to curb it. The end result is we now offer subsidies & grants, to schools which have terrorist members as teachers.

We are actually paying our tax money, to recruit people to kill us.

at what point do we stop asking who are the radical sympathizers and ask who in these communities is not a sympathizer ,as it seems to be on the increase, and i don't see many "peaceful" muslims protesting against radicals.
are they all closet radicals or all afraid ?

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

My point is that because we are treating people differently based (in some cases) on their religion, IMO, we run the risk of alienating MORE people. This is something that the extremists already here could capitalise on, and ultimately convert more people into terrorists.

So what do we do? Nothing?

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

are they all closet radicals or all afraid ?

Bit of both.
I had a receptionist who is a moderate muslim, she went to her imam to report a man who had been making radical statements and was told by the imam that a 'good muslim doesn't inform on a brother'


It's probably along the lines of how the catholics and their priesthood treated paedophile priests for all those years.....hush it up and deny it.....

[SMG]

Originally Posted by soicky

You'll find most are home-grown so there's no need to use this to have a go at foreigners.

I`m not "having a go at foreigners". I am stating, what I believe to be fact m8.

We now have a country with a large foreign population, some of whom are ready to abuse our hospitality, & use our good will against us. We give refuge to known criminals, terrorist sympathisers, & other undesirables, again, some of whom who use Asylum as an excuse to enter.

My statement is factual & impartial. I am not implying "All Foreigners" are rotten, only some of them. In my area alone over the past 2 years we have had a mass murderer, wanted for genocide, claiming asylum, terrorists by the bushel, all perpetrated by people who have come to this country seeking a new life.

There are obviously British nationals who fall into this category, but, regarding radicalisation, in my experience, they are virtually all Muslims, who have, in the past, moved to Britain & become British citizens.

As has been said, so many times, Muslims should distance themselves from these morons, openly condemn them, inform the authorities whenever they have information regarding terrorist activities. In other words, start looking out for the country that supports them, & not the dump they left.

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[Russ]

Or female

[Keyz333]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

So what do we do? Nothing?

What is there to do?

Until the government decide to actually decide to do something (Worthwhile) to stop this it will carry on.

I'm not saying they are doing nothing, but the things they are looking at, are the wrong things.

I'm not against Muslims at all, in fact, I know quite a few (from work) and the ones I know are all friendly..

I agree something should be done, but what that is, I have no idea.

Unfortunately it's a problem all over the world, but especially in poor third world countries. That is being made worse by hardline wahibi teachings in islamic schools payed for in part (or in whole) by Saudi oil money. Along with imam's from all over the world being trained in Saudi to then spread their puritanical version of islam to the young, and impressionable....

This issue has been a hot topic of debate on another forum I'm a member of, and is cause for concern....

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

So what do we do? Nothing?

Not suggesting that at all.. Education would be a good start.

Bit of both.
I had a receptionist who is a moderate muslim, she went to her imam to report a man who had been making radical statements and was told by the imam that a 'good muslim doesn't inform on a brother'

Now, that is something that needs to be stamped out. Not just when muslims do it. There is a strong idea in this country that it is bad to "grass" on people, which I don't actually think is good for society..