Children as young as four being radicalised ?

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Probably not through lack of trying......

If that's the case, why do we need to do stuff like this? We are clearly doing fine without it..

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by danielf

That, and the raid on the Medway

don't unpack your suitcase

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Probably not through lack of trying......

Ah, the great unprovable statement........

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

LOL.

In all seriousness though as an immigrant, I work with and meet and a lot of English born and bred white people who know very little of their own country's history. Why should it be important for immigrants to know England's history when a lot of English people don't know their own country's history.

I bet not many kids now know anything about Cromwell, 1066, Henry 8th etc etc and Im talking about non immigrants.

they should know its written Henry VIII hehehehehe I'll get my coat lol

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

If that's the case, why do we need to do stuff like this? We are clearly doing fine without it..

To keep doing 'fine'? To stop minds being destroyed by radicalisation before they have hardly started being used?

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Ah, the great unprovable statement........

As is yours

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

To keep doing 'fine'? To stop minds being destroyed by radicalisation before they have hardly started being used?=

My point is that because we are treating people differently based (in some cases) on their religion, IMO, we run the risk of alienating MORE people. This is something that the extremists already here could capitalise on, and ultimately convert more people into terrorists.

That, to me, seems to be a monumentally stupid way of doing things.

[Niles Crane]

Originally Posted by SMG

It is not unusual for 3rd world people & children to be "brainwashed" with radical ideas. They have no life, no purpose, not much at all, anything which promises a better life is held dear to them.

However, in this country, where freedom is everyones right, these freedoms are being taken away by parents who "force" their kids to attend religious meetings. Clerics, who preach "3rd world ideals", & their own brand of "religion", sometimes, the religion of the radical.

This is why its important for all immigrants, all nationalities, to swear allegiance to the U.K. to speak English, & to learn British history. Learning the ways of the 3rd world peasant, & their restraints, is not enhancing this country's heritage & culture. Its just breeding more 3rd world morons who look toward terror organisations to further their "Doctrine".

Religion should not be forced on children. let them play for heavens sake, childhood doesn't last that long.

This is very ironic considering most of the "3rd world" have been "brainwashed" by "radical ideas" many refer to today as Christianity. If there's such a thing as a "3rd world ideal", it's influenced by Christianity as much as anything else, if not more so.

It's also ironic that you preach freedom of speech in the same breath as suggesting all immigrants should swear allegiance, speak English and learn British history. Is this straight from the GWB school of logic?

[SB_07]

Daily Mail propaganda.....awesome!

Originally Posted by SB_07

Daily Mail propaganda.....awesome!

was in the Telegraph too

[SB_07]

Originally Posted by zing

was in the Telegraph too

It's still propaganda. Why is it always a story about Muslim radicals? Where are the stories everyday of the extreme Jewish settlers in Israel? The fundamentalist Christians of the world?

All this does is stir up anger towards Islam, and most people don't know enough about the faith to realise they're not all crazy. Muslims are bashed in the media every single day and it needs to stop.

And just for the record, i'm not religious.

no but enough of them are feel free to enlighten us with your wisdom

Muslim bashing has to stop but what really has to stop is the bad element that preaches Jihad

[SMG]

Originally Posted by Niles Crane

This is very ironic considering most of the "3rd world" have been "brainwashed" by "radical ideas" many refer to today as Christianity. If there's such a thing as a "3rd world ideal", it's influenced by Christianity as much as anything else, if not more so.

OK, Thats an interesting point of view. Have you tried to tell a Muslim Radical that?

Originally Posted by Niles Crane

It's also ironic that you preach freedom of speech in the same breath as suggesting all immigrants should swear allegiance, speak English and learn British history. Is this straight from the GWB school of logic?

Nope, its straight from the GoB of SMG.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

LOL.

In all seriousness though as an immigrant, I work with and meet and a lot of English born and bred white people who know very little of their own country's history. Why should it be important for immigrants to know England's history when a lot of English people don't know their own country's history.

I bet not many kids now know anything about Cromwell, 1066, Henry 8th etc etc and Im talking about non immigrants.

Excellent post Saaf, but I would suggest that its quite likely that people below the age of 25 in the UK haven't been taught the same History Lessons in school that I was taught.... I will admit that what I'm about to say is a wild stab in the dark, but I expect that over the last 15 or so years the amount of British History covered in history lessons is way less than I covered in secondary school. Perhaps someone can confirm this ?

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

My point is that because we are treating people differently based (in some cases) on their religion, IMO, we run the risk of alienating MORE people. This is something that the extremists already here could capitalise on, and ultimately convert more people into terrorists.

That, to me, seems to be a monumentally stupid way of doing things.

Originally Posted by SB_07

It's still propaganda. Why is it always a story about Muslim radicals? Where are the stories everyday of the extreme Jewish settlers in Israel? The fundamentalist Christians of the world?

All this does is stir up anger towards Islam, and most people don't know enough about the faith to realise they're not all crazy. Muslims are bashed in the media every single day and it needs to stop.

And just for the record, i'm not religious.

Two excellent posts. Both spot on.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Two excellent posts. Both spot on.

The point SB makes reminds me of a topic I'm always open to discussing yet I never seem to get a legitimate answer to (maybe I'm asking the wrong people?).

I accept Islam is a peaceful faith - and other religions have pondlife amongst their ranks - but what is it about Islam that *seems* to attract the biggest nutters?

Granted they are the absolute minority but it *seems* the majority of suicide bombers and those more in favour of violence to achieve their aims are Muslim (yes I know about the Crusades, an unforgivable time in Christianity, however I'm talking about 'now'). I've always wondered what it is that develops the sort of mentality you don't seem to find so much in the other faiths.

Or is it all down to selective reporting?