TiVo : Vm v BT v (& Sky)

[robolots]

Am I missing something somewhere, as although it seems BT Vision is targetting VM customers, it is offering a far inferior service?

Now I'm not saying VM are perfect and Jeez the Superhub debacle has been nothing short of scandalous (thank god I kept my old router), but I just don't see why people are saying BT are offering a better service?

For TV content-Sky is obviously king as they are deliberately monopolising their content so other providers either can't/wont justify pay extra for channels (Atlantic/Sports 3 & 4 HD) etc etc.
HD is more with Sky, but at least i'm not having to pay an extra £10 per month for the privelage with Virgin! BT is offering a mega 4 HD channels!!
From what I have seen of BT Vision it is basically freeview with an on demand service and only Sky Sports 1 & 2 and ESPN (obviously get 1,2,3,4 and ESPN with Virgin although not HD 3 & 4.

For internet-I know BT are offering up to 160mb, but I'm sure I can survive with my paltry 60mb line and if you are in a non cabled area and using ADSL in a rural area etc you might have what my brother has-a massive 4mb!!
So horses for courses really.

I hated BT customer service and to be honest Sky wasn't much better (not saying VM are better than Sky either-just stating they are all the same).

So am I missing something as I just don't see the draw to BT Vision.

[passingbat]

I think maybe people are looking at where BT are heading and that it has the potential to become number 2 after Sky. But Sky only excel in one thing; channel content. For me, everything else on VM is superior to Sky, and VM currently beat BT on both channel content and everything else.

[thenry]

VM does not beat BT on fibre broadband qaulity. the speeds issue is balanced. VM lack capacity. BT lack the ability to hand all customers upto 76down/ upto 19up due to distance. as soon as BT FTTP is rolling out here, there and everywhere then there will be a real advantage for BT. Sky too I guess.

as for channels. BT have rights to broadcast the Prem which they will use to get Sky channels in exchange for BT sports. you could say Sky have a solid hand with BT needing to sell their sport channel(s) but make no mistake Sky needs BT Sports and BT needs Sky HD channels.

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right now Sky have the upper hand in my opinion. channels plus fibre broadband. its just a shame Sky have the router issue where you cant properly use your own choice of router.

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as for digital boxes clearly the TiVo is winner.