[Update] Cameron promises EU referendum by October 2017

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

I get to use the job figures again. There are 5 people unemployed to every one job available . It the automatic right to work was removed this figure would be so much better for UK nationals

And the wages would be better, it's all right for Roland from Poland and his pals living three or four to a house and still filling their boots on low paid jobs but quite another for your average English person with a family to do the same. friends who work in factories and warehouses have told me they.were paid better ten years ago for doing similar work than they get now in actual cash.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Chris

Good heavens ... Arthur, for once I find myself almost agreeing with you on a matter of politics ...

I will certainly vote UKIP at the Euro-elections in 2014 but I will do so in the hope of forcing Dave to further crank-up the hard talking ahead of the general election in 2015. The last thing I want to do now is risk another hung Parliament or worse, an outright Labour win.

That of course is what Dave is aiming for - he wants to spike UKIP's guns and hopes to gain votes out of it. However as you yourself show, Arthur, UKIP long ago stopped being a party simply for disaffected Tories. It is becoming attractive to those from across the political spectrum who think the mainstream parties no longer represent the interests of ordinary people.

Excellent post Sir

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Its the open door policy that has made me so anti EU, We are the alternative benefits system for people from other country's who come here and decide they can be better off on benefits because we are idiots and let them do it.

Originally Posted by Sirius

Its the open door policy that has made me so anti EU, We are the alternative benefits system for people from other country's who come here and decide they can be better off on benefits because we are idiots and let them do it.

Is there a lot of evidence of EU citizens of other states claiming benefits?

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/englan...rom_abroad.htm

In practice, even if you come from one of [EU] countries, you won't automatically get benefits. For example, if you’re an EEA jobseeker who has never worked in the UK, you won't be able to claim benefits like Income Support, income-based Jobseeker's Allowance, Child Benefit, Housing Benefit or Council Tax Benefit. But if you're an EEA worker who has been employed in the UK before becoming unemployed, you might be able to claim benefits whilst you’re looking for new work. This depends on which EEA country you're from and how long you've worked in the UK.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I look at it this way, I would do what l felt was best for my wife and family, no matter what we say the policticans will have there own way.

Its like all of them, they are all talk when they want your vote then disappear into the woodwork.

IF there has to be a vote then it should be done as soon as possible, Cameron has been saying for months that he will decide when he is ready.

[babis3g]

Sorry my bad English but i am sure you will get the point
I am not going to say about which politician is better or about general UK or EU laws because to me does not matter as they have set it how the big one want and not how we want

This is interest/games guys of the Elite behind politicians

UK joined EU on the slide side (with out asking people but also the other EU countries), just UK did not joined their currency

Now their interest/game seems for a reason has changed/is not good, so now vote for going out ... lol...something "smells"
If they wanted stay in, they will not say a world going out or in and would had thinks be/stay the same

To my understanding are like 2 powers (worldwide)

One want EU as it is and an other want EU broke (both for their own reasons)
We only looking UK but if you look what is happening in EU is something similar (talks for economic problems and some countries is better to go out)

Is like holding a balloon in the water (is a general meaning for all EU countries) which needs pressure
Some time by nature this pressure holding the balloon will weaker then it will come out of the water due to its air into it...and will come out with more pressure than applied to keep it in

To the point now...
Politicians now knows EU turns to change from the first time joined & something very serious is going to happen in EU this year or in the worst case next begin year at maximum and will affect UK too if is economic
To me does not matter if UK stay out or in... or have different money or not

Example .... if US dollar go down automatic all marketing will go up...gas,electric petrol,Wall Street etc even if Russia,China,EU,UK etc has different currency everything globally will have affect

I know few will call me silly saying this but if look little more behind may understand

Prepare and be aware (every one with its own search) i think will come difficult times

[Mick Fisher]

I cannot believe anyone is taking Cameron's word on a referendum seriously.

He made exactly the same pledge at the last election and reneged on it. He will do exactly the same again. He is taking the electorate for a load of mugs with short term memory problems.

This whole referendum scam is just a ploy to get himself and his party re-elected.

Vote UKIP. It seems to be the only choice if you really want a referendum on Europe.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Damien

Is there a lot of evidence of EU citizens of other states claiming benefits?

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/englan...rom_abroad.htm

Really you think they look for work with pocket loads of cash & a home to stay in which they pay for.Also if they time it right . They can leave the UK & claim all the income tax they paid back.

Originally Posted by Itshim

Really you think they look for work with pocket loads of cash & a home to stay in which they pay for.Also if they time it right . They can leave the UK & claim all the income tax they paid back.

They're not allowed to sit there and soak up benefits is my point.

Could we get back to the topic which ISN'T immigration.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Could we get back to the topic which ISN'T immigration.

with respect Maggie but yes it is ,it is also about any other EU directive forced on us .Immigration will be at the forefront of most peoples mind when they eventually get to put the cross in a box on a referendum paper ,so i think it is very much on topic

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher

Vote UKIP. It seems to be the only choice if you really want a referendum on Europe.

Originally Posted by martyh

with respect Maggie but yes it is ,it is also about any other EU directive forced on us .Immigration will be at the forefront of most peoples mind when they eventually get to put the cross in a box on a referendum paper ,so i think it is very much on topic

Please try to address the actual topic of a referendum not have an interminable discussion solely about immigration. Back on topic

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by marty

with respect Maggie but yes it is ,it is also about any other EU directive forced on us .Immigration will be at the forefront of most peoples mind when they eventually get to put the cross in a box on a referendum paper ,so i think it is very much on topic

I want control of our borders, our taxes, our immigration, our work time directive, in other words i want our mp's who were voted for by our people to be able to make rules for our country and our people.

why should some unelected bureaucrat in Brussels be able to dictate to this country what they can and cannot do.

Originally Posted by Sirius

I want control of our borders, our taxes, our immigration, our work time directive, in other words i want our mp's who were voted for by our people to be able to make rules for our country and our people.

why should some unelected bureaucrat in Brussels be able to dictate to this country what they can and cannot do.

Well said that man

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I think the only MP with any sense that has said anything is the guy from UKIP, if we need the vote for the public, then we should have it NOW, NOT if Cameron gets back in, which he won't.

All Cameron is doing is trying to make a promise IF he gets in power again - whats he scared of, IF he went to the country on that promise, then would almost cerainly lose, as we have heard his promises for.

My prediction for a general election would be

Labour,
UKIP
Cons
Lib Dem

The Tories would lose by a massive margin due to the present situation UKIP would get second, as he has spoken more sense than both Milliband and Cameron and l think thats what we need.