[Update] Cameron promises EU referendum by October 2017

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

that top one I am afraid is one of the top things those who want out of the EU want rid of

Indeed i agree.

My options at the next election

I will vote ether Conservative or Ukip,

I will not vote Labour as they want us in the EU so they can spend spend spend then when we are even further in the poo they will ask the EU for a bail out, I will not vote for the libs (who are a non party now) as they will just sign away even more of our sovereignty and law to the EU if they could and take us into the Euro as well.

So Conservatives or Ukip it is for me and then vote OUT.

[Gary L]

Yeh. why can't we have it now.
why does it have to be on condition that he'll only do it if we vote him back in.

The "British People" want it now Dave you muppet.

Originally Posted by Gary L

Yeh. why can't we have it now.
why does it have to be on condition that he'll only do it if we vote him back in.

The "British People" want it now Dave you muppet.

Because he believes he can make a better case for staying in if we can reform parts of the EU that are unpopular. Not to mention that at the moment it's not the best time for the pro-EU camp to hold a referendum given the Eurozone crisis. People are more likely to vote to stay in if the European economies are booming and Greece isn't a basketcase.

Originally Posted by Gary L

Yeh. why can't we have it now.
why does it have to be on condition that he'll only do it if we vote him back in.

The "British People" want it now Dave you muppet.

I agree with Gary on this .There is no reason why Cameron can't just announce a referendum in 6 months .That announcement alone would probably be enough to carry him through the next election

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Yeh. why can't we have it now.
why does it have to be on condition that he'll only do it if we vote him back in.

The "British People" want it now Dave you muppet.

He knows he will not get in at the next election and he knows Labour and the Libs will NEVER offer the people who vote for them a choice.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Cameron has just stated on Sky, that he doesn't want Britian to leave the EU, he wants to reform it.

What does he think he is, everyone wants to come out, yet he wants to stay. He simply cannot make up his mind, the General public want to come out.

This is just a vote puller BUT this wont happen for another three years, hiping he is still PM - no chance

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Yesterday, he has said he is making thousands more of our armed forces redundant to save money, and depend on the TA to push up our forces overseas.

Yet today in the Commons he has said yet again he is prepared to send my financial aid overseas.

Everyone is suffering, our brave lads and lasses are fighting for the country and then come home and get redundant, and yet he will spend money on overseas - what plant is he on, ceratinly not on this one

Arthur, if you want out of the EU, vote Tory in 2015. It's that simple. Ed Miliband has already said he thinks the PM's policy is "weak" and Nick Clegg says a referendum is "not in the national interest". So far, the Tories are the only ones offering you any chance of getting what you want.

Who do you hate more Arthur, The Conservatives or the EU?

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

I get to use the job figures again. There are 5 people unemployed to every one job available . It the automatic right to work was removed this figure would be so much better for UK nationals

You appear to be confusing "number of jobs advertised in Jobcentres" with "number of jobs available" - they are not the same thing.

For example, my previous place of work has 36 jobs on its job-site - only 7 of those are in the Jobcentre as well; and that doesn't include the estimated 60% of all vacancies that are never advertised - Guardian.

According to the Federation of Small Businesses

In 2002, the Office of National Statistics (ONS) estimated that only 44 per cent of all job vacancies are advertised through Jobcentre Plus. The FSB’s data suggests this figure is far lower for small businesses vacancies.

Originally Posted by Damien

Who do you hate more Arthur, The Conservatives or the EU?

If you listen carefully you can just hear the sound of Arthurs head exploding as he deliberates that dilemma

[Derek]

Oooft. Milliband just made a rod for his back in PMQ's.

Clear 'No' answer to whether he thinks the public should get a referendum on Europe.

Originally Posted by Derek

Oooft. Milliband just made a rod for his back in PMQ's.

Clear 'No' answer to whether he thinks the public should get a referendum on Europe.

Not surprising but a tad naive to think that a 'no' won't come back and haunt him

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I'm wondering if Cameron is playing a different game .Given the amount of controversy that speech will cause with all the main EU leaders is he hoping that Europe will make the publics mind up for them without him after to commit to anything .One thing is for sure he has taken the initiative away from UKIP .

[Arthurgray50@blu]

The guy from UKIP has just been on Sky, along with Dr Liam Fox and he has said that Cameron a dangererous game, and the UKIP leader has said, why wait, why not now.

I am slowly going towards UKIP, he talks more sense than anyone.

Good heavens ... Arthur, for once I find myself almost agreeing with you on a matter of politics ...

I will certainly vote UKIP at the Euro-elections in 2014 but I will do so in the hope of forcing Dave to further crank-up the hard talking ahead of the general election in 2015. The last thing I want to do now is risk another hung Parliament or worse, an outright Labour win.

That of course is what Dave is aiming for - he wants to spike UKIP's guns and hopes to gain votes out of it. However as you yourself show, Arthur, UKIP long ago stopped being a party simply for disaffected Tories. It is becoming attractive to those from across the political spectrum who think the mainstream parties no longer represent the interests of ordinary people.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Cameron has just stated on Sky, that he doesn't want Britain to leave the EU, he wants to reform it.

What does he think he is, everyone wants to come out, yet

Except for Labour and the Libs, make you sodding mind up who you are supporting Arthur