sky movies (excess profits) - Page 6

muppetman11 · 01-03-2011, 15:25

What dial up their BB isn't.

Digital Fanatic · 01-03-2011, 15:29

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

What dial up their BB isn't.

So you are happy that Sky with hold VoD rights so the likes of LoveFilm, Netflix, Amazon and other on demand operators can't offer a possible cheaper service?

Even if they don't use them on their own platform?

seems crazy to back Sky on this one..

devilincarnate · 01-03-2011, 15:31

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This is going way off topic

Yes i agree that it has gone way off topic and it is starting to come back on itself now ( as the laws of physics can not figure out how far

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Digital Fanatic · 01-03-2011, 15:32

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Yes i agree that it has gone way off topic and it is starting to come back on itself now ( as the laws of physics can not figure out how far

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he he

Big-Ted · 01-03-2011, 15:36

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Sorry but it is a closed network , no other company can use it.

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How is anytime+ not on demand.

And why should they be able to use it ?

BT also cover all they areas VM do so broadband available, free view, freesat and sky already cover the same area so TV covered.

What do VM supply that is not available from others purely because they supply it.

Therefore this is completely beside the point.

Sky having tied up VOD rights since the start has blocked others from offering a service, why do you think Lovefilm has such a small VOD selection ?

devilincarnate · 01-03-2011, 15:42

In regards to the rights of the SVOD rights and SKYS profits, any body that has not read them they may need to read the working papers from the Competition Commission ( they are eye opening )

Link to the working papers:

http://www.competition-commission.or...ing_papers.htm

P.S They take a while to get through?

muppetman11 · 01-03-2011, 15:43

Like I say time will tell.

gstadt · 01-03-2011, 16:02

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

Sorry but it is a closed network , no other company can use it.

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How is anytime+ not on demand.

Anytime+ limited to Sky Broadband, so not only do you have to have Sky Movies you need Sky Broadband as well ....

Do any of the Sky defenders on here think that Sky is withholding/making Movie rights prohibitively-expensive wholesale to other service providers? I would suspect most would say they are but would argue they are available VOD via Sky Player/Anytime+ (with a Sky TV/BB subscription)

Now do they think this model is better/more-customer orientated then the US market of Netflix/VUDU/Redbox/Amazon etc. (Note: VUDU/Netflix is now 1080p/DD+) which is TV/BB-agnostic? If so, I'd be interested to hear your reasonings....

LexDiamond · 01-03-2011, 16:27

I'm not familiar with the US models but I also think that US models do not take away anything from what Sky are doing. Sky are offering an excellent service in the UK market.

muppetman11 · 01-03-2011, 16:45

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I'm not familiar with the US models but I also think that US models do not take away anything from what Sky are doing. Sky are offering an excellent service in the UK market.

How dare you say that on here LOL .

LexDiamond · 01-03-2011, 16:49

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

How dare you say that on here LOL .

Haha!

gstadt · 01-03-2011, 16:58

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Originally Posted by LexDiamond

I'm not familiar with the US models but I also think that US models do not take away anything from what Sky are doing. Sky are offering an excellent service in the UK market.

Point is, it could be better now .... Sky are deliberately holding the process up until BT Infinity penetration increases so as to maximize commercial advantage ... at the expense of customers (well some, there's more than one way to skin a cat).

LexDiamond · 01-03-2011, 17:12

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Point is, it could be better now .... Sky are deliberately holding the process up until BT Infinity penetration increases so as to maximize commercial advantage ... at the expense of customers (well some, there's more than one way to skin a cat).

That ignores the fact that Sky already have the capability to offer this service through its own platform.

Plus what we are talking about here is competition to Sky that is growing rapidly, e.g. Most of the VOD service wannabe providers such as Lovefilm are growing so quickly simply because they buy any bright spark that wishes to compete. VOD is probably in its infancy as a mainstream service in the UK. It will probably become more than just VM, BT Vision and a handful of comprehensive catch up sites soon. The competition is yet to, IMO, really take place. Organisations such as Amazon or Youtube could compete if they wished to.

Which is why I really do wonder why regulate Sky? In the end an organisation must step up to Sky and compete or otherwise Sky should continue as it is. Anything in between is just nonsense as it costs the consumer in the end.

devilincarnate · 01-03-2011, 17:26

All I have to say is what happens when the movie studios want to set up there own SVOD? As a few have done already?

http://www.epixhd.com/ Is done by Paramount, Lionsgate, and MGM

FILM FLEX Sony, The Walt Disney Company and FILM FOUR.

What will happen if the other studios decide to do the same?

Big-Ted · 01-03-2011, 17:29

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Originally Posted by LexDiamond

That ignores the fact that Sky already have the capability to offer this service through its own platform.

Plus what we are talking about here is competition to Sky that is growing rapidly, e.g. Most of the VOD service wannabe providers such as Lovefilm are growing so quickly simply because they buy any bright spark that wishes to compete. VOD is probably in its infancy as a mainstream service in the UK. It will probably become more than just VM, BT Vision and a handful of comprehensive catch up sites soon. The competition is yet to, IMO, really take place. Organisations such as Amazon or Youtube could compete if they wished to.

Which is why I really do wonder why regulate Sky? In the end an organisation must step up to Sky and compete or otherwise Sky should continue as it is. Anything in between is just nonsense as it costs the consumer in the end.

There are two that are much bigger than Sky and who the studios will find hard to ignore.

Amazon who have bought Lovefilm could flex its muscles and go for more VOD content.

Google have $100 million put aside for VOD to set up a service on youtube that will launch in the UK first.

Either of these can really break Sky's hold on movie VOD, especially Amazon who provide the studios with masses of money from DVD sales etc.

It would be easy for Virgin to have aps for these on TiVo as well as people using them direct via computers etc.