sky movies (excess profits)

[gstadt]

I thought this thread was about Sky Movies (excess profits), seems to be an awful lot about consistency of regulation....

What I found interesting in the original article was the inference that Sky are effectively withholding VOD rights at wholesale prices to first-run movies, even though technically they could make them available. If this is true, its clearly stifling innovation in this space and the reason why have no Netflix/VUDU type service.

Hopefully, Ofcom will sort this out so a *friend* doesn't have to have a VPN/Entropay card ....

[Tod]

Originally Posted by LexDiamond

Sky isn't withholding content from anybody with regards to movies.

Yes they are, they are buying VOD rights which they can not use so no one else can have them.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by Tod

Yes they are, they are buying VOD rights which they can not use so no one else can have them.

Show me a link that fully backs this up ? They have VOD rights for movies and use them on Sky Player and Anytime service.

[LexDiamond]

Originally Posted by Tod

Yes they are, they are buying VOD rights which they can not use so no one else can have them.

Sky having the rights to VOD doesn't stop people who do not have Sky from watching that movie. The movies can still be watched by anyone that wishes to do so, just not VOD so that isn't really withholding the content.

Anyway Sky already offer movies on demand don't they? There is another thread on here where members have said Sky Movie subscribers also get movies on demand?

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by LexDiamond

Sky having the rights to VOD doesn't stop people who do not have Sky from watching that movie. The movies can still be watched by anyone that wishes to do so, just not VOD so that isn't really withholding the content.

Anyway Sky already offer movies on demand don't they? There is another thread on here where members have said Sky Movie subscribers also get movies on demand?

Yes they do

http://skyplayer.sky.com/vod/page/default/home.do
http://www.sky.com/shop/tv/anytime/
http://www.sky.com/shop/tv/anytime/what-can-i-watch/

Originally Posted by muppetman11

Show me a link that fully backs this up ? They have VOD rights for movies and use them on Sky Player and Anytime service.

This for Ofcom may help....

1.6 Sky exploits its market power by limiting the wholesale distribution of its premium channels, with the effect of restricting competition from retailers on other platforms. This is prejudicial to fair and effective competition, reducing consumer choice and holding back innovation by companies other than Sky. In the case of movies the fact that Sky also owns but barely uses the subscription video-on-demand rights denies competitors the opportunity to develop innovative services.

I found this by googling "Sky VOD rights", and it was the fifth item on the page (the third item referred to it).

The truth is out there.....

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by Hugh

This for Ofcom may help....

I found this by googling "Sky VOD rights", and it was the fifth item on the page (the third item referred to it).

The truth is out there.....

It's called future proofing and it's unfair to say they don't use it movies are delivered by anytime every night and available on anytime+ and sky player. It's sometimes an all to easy get out to blame the entire world on Sky I'm not there biggest fan however they have run it well as a business.

Originally Posted by muppetman11

It's called future proofing and it's unfair to say they don't use it movies are delivered by anytime every night and available on anytime+ and sky player.

You may think that - OFCOM believe differently......


(you call it future-proofing, they call it anti-competitive....)

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by Tod

I stand corrected, I can access their VOD for movies for the bargain price of £34 per month.

So they are available to you, there's nothing stopping you subscribing to Sky unless you cant have a dish that is.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

You may think that - OFCOM believe differently......


(you call it future-proofing, they call it anti-competitive....)

Is the VM network open to other companies like BT's ? Some would say that's anti competitive.

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

It's called future proofing and it's unfair to say they don't use it movies are delivered by anytime every night and available on anytime+ and sky player. It's sometimes an all to easy get out to blame the entire world on Sky I'm not there biggest fan however they have run it well as a business.

No it's not. it's stopping anyone else offering a service that they can't deliver.

The document is worth a read

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/con...ytv/statement/

The position in movies is more complex, since there are a variety of ways consumers can purchase movies content, and the importance of linear channels is starting to reduce. Looking forward, we expect video-on-demand to become increasingly important. However Sky controls not only all the major linear channel movie rights, but also all of the rights that would be required to develop a subscription video-on-demand service for first-run Hollywood movies.

The Competition Commision is looking in to this area. If they were offering the movies to their own customers, then that would be ok, but they don't.

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

So they are available to you, there's nothing stopping you subscribing to Sky unless you cant have a dish that is.

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Is the VM network open to other companies like BT's ? Some would say that's anti competitive.

But VM are offering a service on their network, not keeping it closed and not using it, so that's not relevant to this.

Sky are brilliant in what they do and give to their customers, but some of their practices are very questionable.

[muppetman11]

We'll see what happens sooner rather than later , my point is they do use movies over video on demand.

[Tod]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

It's called future proofing and it's unfair to say they don't use it movies are delivered by anytime every night and available on anytime+ and sky player. It's sometimes an all to easy get out to blame the entire world on Sky I'm not there biggest fan however they have run it well as a business.

Thats no Video On Demand though is it?

Originally Posted by muppetman11

So they are available to you, there's nothing stopping you subscribing to Sky unless you cant have a dish that is.[COLOR="Silver"]

Is the VM network open to other companies like BT's ? Some would say that's anti competitive.

Whats that got to do with it?

[muppetman11]

Sorry but it is a closed network , no other company can use it.

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How is anytime+ not on demand.

[Tod]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

Sorry but it is a closed network , no other company can use it.

My brother has broadband with AOL which is supplied on Virgin Media cable - so they do actuarily!

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

Sorry but it is a closed network , no other company can use it.

This is going way off topic