I thought this was about a 2Mbit service, not unbundling of ntl's networks, how Telewest outperform ntl though they use the same kit and network systems, etc, o well....
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Originally Posted by th'engineer
Its still pointless with the CAP one good thing about it is it has allowed other ISPs will grow. As they dont have CAPs and take away NTL customers.
I agree with NTLs cap think its good for all ADSL suppliers that do not have a CAP.
They get more customers
This thread is pointless why have 2mb its a capped service from NTL.
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From where I sit ntl are still taking on customers at a pretty rapid rate, and are still the biggest BB ISP in the UK, and don't kid yourself, the caps/traffic shaping are coming along with the next generation of transfer rates whatever the delivery platform.
Because some people, like myself, would like 2Mbit services to do things quicker, rather than to download more.
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Originally Posted by Defiant
Perhaps this should be a poll on who thinks Aizad should be out. He does'nt seem to have a clue what the customers want and well NTL no longer provide the cheap service of the past. Just look how many people have lowered there packages or just gone to FREEview like me
Correct I've mentioned this before about my m8 who's on Telewest's 2MB service. He's getting the full 2MB download speed and 512 upload  |
LIke the post about if Bill Goodland should be fired, that I think got zero replies?
Astounding considering Telewest offer no 2Mbit download, 512kbit upload service. It's 2048/256kbit. Yes he might be getting his full quota, in some areas they don't, just as the vast majority of ntl subscribers get their full bandwidth all the time, a minority don't.
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Originally Posted by cjmillsnun
For once Defiant, I totally agree with you., Aizad is being a stuck up ******.
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Didn't he actually say didn't want to attract bandwidth hoggers rather than accusing existing customers of being so? All ISPs want customers to use as little capacity as possible, even if some don't admit it.
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Originally Posted by Kitty
Telewest customers often go over the speed they should have as they are not capped. To avoid repeating this again The telewest 2 mb service is going well and has shown its possible to use 2 mb over cable More the cable laid by Cable and wirless which seems to have been the better choice than NTls and the same as Telewests. I was able to watch a 1mb telewest customer downloading off a 2mb ADSL customer and the ADSL customer said that Telewest was giving faster speeds than he had.
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What?!?! Telewest customers are capped using the exact same system as ntl customers, and don't get more than they pay for. It's fully possible to pull nearly 30Mbit/s on cable, and the quality of the cable is irrelevant, so long as it can support QAM64 modulation on a EuroDOCSIS downstream you can get close to 30Mbit down it. Cable is a time division technology, each customer gets the full bandwidth of the line for a fraction of a second on demand, to increase bandwidths is a matter of uploading a config file to a modem, and configuring the uBR appropriately so that the modem can have more time slices?!?!
And what does a 1Mbit Telewest customer downloading from a 2Mbit ADSL customer prove when the 2Mbit ADSL customer can only upload at 256kbit/s ?
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Originally Posted by Kitty
If NTLs was forced to open up and allow other cable companies sell over their cables I would jump ship to Telewest.
BT was forced to open up so why not NTL they seem unable to offer the things telewest can so let telewest in...
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Considering that the widely held view is that Telewest and ntl will be merging within 2 years you may well have that choice! BT's network is already paid for many times over, ntl's still yet to be paid back, and fundamentally was built before it came under control of BT PLC. There's a growing movement for BT to basically have their network taken from them, due to their consistent abuse of their monopoly, their reluctance to 'open up', and their continued deployment of obsolete technology, and holding back of uk.net for short-term profits.
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Originally Posted by Defiant
You said the magic word "monopoly" NTL have it in there area's as to the other cable companies and so there cannot be fair competition here.
PS yes BT was a nationalised company but the goverment sold it. They took the money and ran then forced them to open up a network they didn't own anymore!
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European law also demanded that BT's network be opened up as they are incumbent monopoly telco. NTL have very little monopoly if any as BT have a USO and Sky or Freeview will between them reach pretty much anywhere. If you want NTL to open their network up competely you can pay the money in compensation for the 13+ billion quid spent building a network only to be forced to unbundle it. I would actually quick like to see wholesale cable modem service that only use ntl's HFC network and no more, would be good from consumer POV and in some ways ntl's too. But under ntl's
own terms and when they and the market permit. At the moment the spectrum is a bit full due to analogue TV broadcasts. This may well become viable though once complete analogue switchoff has been done.
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Originally Posted by cjmillsnun
Maybe they were the monopoly when privatised, but they inherited a substandard analogue network from the Government.
They spent Billions on it bringing it up to some sort of standard, and converting it to digital (as a private network).
They were then forced to open it up.
So why shouldn't NTL and TW be forced to open their networks up?
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That network paid for itself many times over before they were asked, then begged, then forced, then threatened by European courts to open it up. Fact is BT's network is the only one in a lot of places, NTL + TW the story is completely different. I can't remember NTL or TW making 3 billion a year in pre-tax profit, can't this wait until they've actually started to get some return back for the billions they've invested (over £20 billion between them). This has been said before though. NTL + TW do
not have natural monopoly of telco services anywhere to speak of, maybe odd streets here and there where ADSL is out of range, that's pretty much it though for broadband, and even less for telephone service as BT have their USO.
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Originally Posted by Animal
U R wrong Farz.
Its called Opencable see http://www.opencable.com/ and it alredy happens in the US. Roadrunner operates on networks as well as the network's own ISP for example Comcast. Each ISP just uses a different TV channel slot because Digital is more efficient you get several Digital channels in the space of one Analogue so they have freed up analogue channels.
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Yeah I agree with the first bit as I said above. As far as Ethernet over coax goes, that's
years away mate, it's theoretical and untested in live deployments, only in a test environment has it even been attempted at the moment. Telewest are just completing a debt for equity swap, you honestly think they have the money to deploy that service at the moment? More to the point you are again missing the fact that Telewest and ntl will in all likelihood be the same company by then, and will more than likely be releasing the service together, when they can, and when the demand and profit is there.
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