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Stuartbe 28-11-2003 12:05

2mb service
 
Would you pay extra for a 2mb service like the one blue yonder do ?

I know I would (providing it actualy worked !!)

1mb up and 2mb down would be lovely :cool:

Neil 28-11-2003 12:08

Re: 2mb service
 
There's really no point in this poll/thread Stuart (sorry), as ntl have no plans to launch a 2 meg service-Aizad Hussain (MD of ntl:home) has told me personally that he has no interest in a 2 meg service & the kind of 'bandwith hoggers' he thinks it would bring.

Stuart W 28-11-2003 12:11

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Agreed. I think this topic has been done to death more than once.

Hit "Search" and take a peek ;)

Ben 28-11-2003 12:11

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Won't happen (sorry to put it blunt) As Neil said Aizad has said he has no interest in it (I was there also)

Although I would like 2Mbit (would we not all like it if it was cheap)

Even if they did bring it out it would be way way way way over priced

Stuartbe 28-11-2003 12:16

Re: 2mb service
 
As homer says DOH !!!

Maybe a cheap fast 2mb connection is pie in the sky for NTL

Anyone selling a house in a blue yonder area ???

Thanks for letting me know about the post everyone, that will teach me not to check the forums before posting :erm:

Florence 28-11-2003 12:45

Re: 2mb service
 
Looks like NTL are going to be left behind as ADSL finds ways of giving more speed.
Soon to start bonding ADSL so you can use 2x2mb connections giving a 4mb ADSL connection. Would love to see what their trails come out like. Will the ADSL people finally nail NTL's coffin shut....

Ignition 28-11-2003 13:26

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Aaaaactually a big reason for them not being released would I imagine be that there isn't much demand there. About 0.5% if I remember right of Telewest's customer base take 2Mbit at £50 per month.

If you live in the right areas you can get ADSL up to 8Mbit right now, but at a fairly hefty price, and up to 6Mbit in Central London for about £100 per month.

Bonding 2 DSL lines together will cost at least the price of the 2 2Mbit lines - cheapest business product price will be over £120/mth, not including any further charges for the Multilink PPP. One ISP at the moment is going to be doing this, Nildram.

You can 'load balance' between any connections if you have the appropriate hardware.

Considering that BT have only just released 1Mbit for home users I can't see there being a big rush for speed just yet. It's something I would very much love to see but at the moment while the biggest selling products are 150k and 600k, or 512k in ADSL's case there's not really any demand to speak of there for 2Mbit and up. Simply, most people are happy with what they have, and don't see the point in paying £50 a month for an internet connection. (I can remember paying £300 in a month for a 1p per minute service...ooops :) )

A couple of ADSL ISPs offer 2Mbit connections at £37.50 - £44 a month, these are however contended much more than ratios found on the £65 a month+ business packages and cable.

If you really want 2MBit that badly encourage the demand. The other issue is as was quite rightly said, what's the point in giving someone who already downloads 10GB a day the ability to download another 10GB a day - if you are losing money already on current traffic why lose more?

I've posted at length about this in the past. At some point for speeds to go much higher and sustained high speeds to be achieved there need to be controls. You can't expect to have 2, 3, 4Mbit and achieve it constantly without transfer limits/traffic shaping being in place. With current pricings in the UK, and how used most are to apparently contention free networks something will have to give before the speeds can go through the ceiling.

I download maybe at most 25GB a month, and I'm prepared to accept a reasonable traffic limit to keep a service good, my usage is 'bursty' in that I want high speed to do things quicker, more than to download more. I may well be in the minority in that regard so it comes down really to 'are you prepared to compromise'. Following a poll I brought up on this subject on another site the answer seems to be no.

Wanting/demanding 100% of throughput all the time, unlimited transfer, and a low price isn't going to work. Something somewhere has to give, a sad fact really but the way it is :(

joker 28-11-2003 14:33

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NTL will have to do somthing about the speed they offer, as ADSL is catching up, I think bulldog offer a 6mbps service on off peak hours with a 400kb upload

http://www.bulldogdsl.com/residentia.../primetime.asp


They will have no option once thing begin to get more competitive I think :shrug:

rswilson 28-11-2003 14:49

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If that is the case, then the sooner ntl: replace Aizad Hussain the better. I am reminded of the quote by a person from IBM saying that only 5 or so of these computers would be needed worldwide back in 1960 or so.
Quote:
I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.
--Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943
Endqoute.

Kitty is right in stating that ADSL technology could kill ntl: broadband. BUT ntl: have a great system for delivering much much better service and services if only they take their head out of the sand. I know that ntl: still have severe financial constraints, but forward thinking by senior management ( particularly an MD )is essential if the company is to survive and compete against the like of companies offering ADSL.

I am sorry for my rant, but I was inspired to comment following Neilâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s rather insipid response.

regards

Rob

Neil 28-11-2003 14:55

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Quote:

in·sipà ƒÆ’ƒâ€šÃ‚·id ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-spd)
adj.
Lacking flavor or zest; not tasty.
Lacking qualities that excite, stimulate, or interest; dull.

I'm sorry if that's how you found my post, I was giving a viewpoint that is also factual having had it from 'the horses mouth' so to speak.

I'm not here to dress my posts up or jazz them up to hide facts (unlike ntl) I am here to help people & tell it how it is.

The fact of the matter is that 2 meg is not coming form ntl, I agree this may be commercially short sighted, but when has that ever stopped ntl making decisions?

Defiant 28-11-2003 14:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil
There's really no point in this poll/thread Stuart (sorry), as ntl have no plans to launch a 2 meg service-Aizad Hussain (MD of ntl:home) has told me personally that he has no interest in a 2 meg service & the kind of 'bandwith hoggers' he thinks it would bring.

Thats excellent. An MD who knows what the customers want and calls us 'bandwith hoggers'.

Stuck up w*****

joker 28-11-2003 15:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Defiant
Thats excellent. An MD who knows what the customers want and calls us 'bandwith hoggers'. :Peace:

Stuck up w*****

Could not agree with you more there

Stuartbe 28-11-2003 15:14

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Hmmmmmm. Looks like Ive stired up a hornets nest.

I am sure however that if there was another cable company that suplied this area NTL would find that sudenly customers are a bit thin on the ground :-)

dr wadd 28-11-2003 15:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartbe
Hmmmmmm. Looks like Ive stired up a hornets nest.

I am sure however that if there was another cable company that suplied this area NTL would find that sudenly customers are a bit thin on the ground :-)

I`m waiting for the day the regulators realise that cable companies have a local monopoly and force them to open their connections to other suppliers so I could get the Blueyonder service over NTL lines.

But I think the quote from the MD pretty much sums up NTL's attitude to the customer base, they want to take the money but don`t want to supply a service in return.

Salu 28-11-2003 15:39

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It will be interesting to see what happens to the 2MB service "when" NTL merge with Telewest, which seems likely?

Dumped or diversified?


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