2mb service

[DrAwesome]

Originally Posted by Biggus

Companies like Freedom2Surf supply 2Mb ADSL with 20:1 contention for £59.95 pm with no activation fee & no contract period. If NTL or no other company offers 2Mb within the next few months, then I'm dumping NTL (TV, Phone & BB) for Sky, BT & F2S, which will just go to show that I won't put up with short-sighted & sub-standard service.

The constant lack of working email, use of proxies and slow service, is making me detest NTL more each time. I pay around £100pm to NTL, & if they don't care enough to provide me with what I'm paying for, then I'll take my custom & money elsewhere.

Another 2mb all the time ISP to consider is Silvermead Home 2Mb 50:1 Unlimited £39.99 its a big jump money wise to get away from NTL

The down side
Higher cost of BT phone rental
you need to be within 3.5Km of a BT exchange
Cost of adsl modem inc one filtre (one off purchase)
Activation fee (one off £50)
£39.99 a month for 2mb subscription

The up side
No modem rental to pay
2mb all the time (not just part time)
No download cap restrictions
24hr support
minimum contract period of 3 months
1 free static ip addr
compatible with the XBL
compatible with the Playstation Network Gaming service

The rest you can read by clicking on the link

Something missing from the vote

Would you pay extra for a 2mb service ?
Yes I would
I already have 2mb
Not a chance pal !

it could be a suprise just how many people already access the internet/nthellworld using 2mb or more connection.

Do you really have to be a NTL customer to be a member of Nthellworld?

[Florence]

Originally Posted by fraz

At the risk of appearing to repeat myself I dont believe (and I'm sure someone out there knows the technology better) that its technologically feasible for Cable companies to open up their networks in the same manner as BT has done.

Telewest customers often go over the speed they should have as they are not capped. To avoid repeating this again The telewest 2 mb service is going well and has shown its possible to use 2 mb over cable More the cable laid by Cable and wirless which seems to have been the better choice than NTls and the same as Telewests. I was able to watch a 1mb telewest customer downloading off a 2mb ADSL customer and the ADSL customer said that Telewest was giving faster speeds than he had.

Its there! its possible! It just in the control of the blind who cannot see what is happening around them and have lost direction.. NTL!!!

[fraz]

Originally Posted by Kitty

Telewest customers often go over the speed they should have as they are not capped. To avoid repeating this again The telewest 2 mb service is going well and has shown its possible to use 2 mb over cable More the cable laid by Cable and wirless which seems to have been the better choice than NTls and the same as Telewests. I was able to watch a 1mb telewest customer downloading off a 2mb ADSL customer and the ADSL customer said that Telewest was giving faster speeds than he had.

Its there! its possible! It just in the control of the blind who cannot see what is happening around them and have lost direction.. NTL!!!

Youre confusing two seperate issues.

1> Opening up cable companies networks to allow other providers to supply competition

2> Raw Connection Speed


The answer you quoted referred to 1 .

As regards 2 then yes it is a (relatively) simple matter to rewrite the config files etc to give whatever combination of maximum downstream/upstream you like . It could be 2 Mb/512k or 2Mb/256k , it could even be 1.75Mb/350k or 4Mb/1mb however are we likely to see such service levels being offered in the near future? Judging by answers elsewhere in the past I very much doubt it

[Tricky]

Originally Posted by DrAwesome

<SNIP>Do you really have to be a NTL customer to be a member of Nthellworld?

Nope - You're all welcome (providing you don't keep boosting about having 2mb and unlimited bandwidth) - PS. Could you download Mandrake 9.2 for me?

If you're a customer you automatically become a member of NTL HELL though! (sorry could resist)

[Animal]

Originally Posted by fraz

But given the vastly different technologies between cable & copper wire based adsl I would imagine its technically not practicable for the cable companies (ntl,telewest,wightcable,kingston etc) to 'unbundle the local loop' in the same way that BT can for ADSL technology.

Originally Posted by fraz

At the risk of appearing to repeat myself I dont believe (and I'm sure someone out there knows the technology better) that its technologically feasible for Cable companies to open up their networks in the same manner as BT has done.

Originally Posted by fraz

Youre confusing two seperate issues.

1> Opening up cable companies networks to allow other providers to supply competition

2> Raw Connection Speed


The answer you quoted referred to 1 .

As regards 2 then yes it is a (relatively) simple matter to rewrite the config files etc to give whatever combination of maximum downstream/upstream you like . It could be 2 Mb/512k or 2Mb/256k , it could even be 1.75Mb/350k or 4Mb/1mb however are we likely to see such service levels being offered in the near future? Judging by answers elsewhere in the past I very much doubt it

U R wrong Farz.
Its called Opencable see http://www.opencable.com/ and it alredy happens in the US. Roadrunner operates on networks as well as the network's own ISP for example Comcast. Each ISP just uses a different TV channel slot because Digital is more efficient you get several Digital channels in the space of one Analogue so they have freed up analogue channels.
When Telewest launch their Ethernet over coax (not docsys) service it will give switched symmetrical services of 10MBPS.

Originally Posted by Kitty

Telewest customers often go over the speed they should have as they are not capped.

Correct I've mentioned this before about my m8 who's on Telewest's 2MB service. He's getting the full 2MB download speed and 512 upload

[Florence]

If NTLs was forced to open up and allow other cable companies sell over their cables I would jump ship to Telewest.


BT was forced to open up so why not NTL they seem unable to offer the things telewest can so let telewest in...

[number34]

Originally Posted by Kitty

If NTLs was forced to open up and allow other cable companies sell over their cables I would jump ship to Telewest.


BT was forced to open up so why not NTL they seem unable to offer the things telewest can so let telewest in...

Why should NTL open up their network? They've nearly gone bankrupt buying other companies and laying their own cable, surely they have a right to try to make money out of it and determine the best way to do that. If they can get more people willing to pay £17.99 for 150k then it makes more sense to do that than offer 2mb for only double!

Also I think that there is only one other cable company, Telewest, and when they have finished their financial restructuring it still seems more than likely that they will merge with NTL!

[Florence]

Not sure on that one now Telewest have some good ideas and do communicate with customers. I think NTL will have some shocks coming from Telewest, BT and it will take some rethinking on NTLââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s part to look as good a deal.

Originally Posted by number34

Why should NTL open up their network?

Er how about because BT had to

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Defiant

Er how about because BT had to

i agree even though NTL is smaller for network coverage than BT NTL should be made to open ther network up allowing other compaines to join and we should see better speeds from the ADSL suppliers

[number34]

Originally Posted by Defiant

Er how about because BT had to

Totally different situation thats why. BT had been a nationalised company and had a monopoly as far as the telephone network. Even when privatised this was true so To make competition work they were forced to open up their network. NTL & Telewest are private companies and have built their networks to compete with BT using their own monies, no way they can or should be forced to open up their networks to others who have not taken the same risks!

Originally Posted by number34

Totally different situation thats why. BT had been a nationalised company and had a monopoly
risks!

You said the magic word "monopoly" NTL have it in there area's as to the other cable companies and so there cannot be fair competition here.

PS yes BT was a nationalised company but the goverment sold it. They took the money and ran then forced them to open up a network they didn't own anymore!

[number34]

Originally Posted by Defiant

You said the magic word "monopoly" NTL have it in there area's as to the other cable companies and so there cannot be fair competition here.

PS yes BT was a nationalised company but the goverment sold it. They took the money and ran then forced them to open up a network they didn't own anymore!

BT had a monopoly because they were the only company allowed to provide telephone services when they built up their network. Nothing is stopping others setting up in competition to NTL and Telewest so it is not a monopoly - Simple!

[BBKing]

ntl don't have a monopoly, they're up against BT and Sky for bleep's sake*, two of the biggest monopolists in town (fancy getting ADSL or Premiership football from someone else? Tough.).

ntl have, of course, opened up to AOL to sell over their cable lines without any pressure from the government. Don't see BT doing that often. Grudgingly open up ADSL to third party resellers then screw them over with BT Broadband and massive advertising hits, is more like their style.

BT would LOVE ntl and TW to be forced to compete, as it would take the attention of both companies away from competing with BT. And they'd have to be forced to compete, neither ntl nor TW would want, in their current situation, to expand into each others territory without coercion.

On a different, but related note, remember that the government nonsensically referred the ntl/CWC merger (two non-competing companies) to the MMC despite there being no monopolistic aspect to the merger.

Anyway, what's so great about forced competition? Privatised railways, PFI schemes and directory enquiries spring to mind.

*and the BBC/Sky joint venture of Freeview.