NTL Broadband ZERO CAP Theory!

[Tristan]

Originally Posted by coolape

it might just let NTL rethink what they're doing and start thinking of scrapping tha caps or increasing it to a larger amount for people who use the net everyday and for heavy use..

...or charging people more to people who use the internet more, which is the direction they're heading.

[coolape]

Originally Posted by JohnHorb

Good tactic, but have you considered the impact on whichever poor s.d gets allocated the IP you've released? (Not intended as a criticism, as I'm not sure what else you could do, but it could cause problems for others?)

lol, never thought of it that way, but can i do? i did my best at calling ntl giving them the individual's real IP address along with their 61.5k fast connection bots, location (not home address), and NTL practically said "Nothing to do with us, if you want a new IP turn ur modem of for about 4 hoursand you should be assigned a new ip".

[Russ]

So are you after a new IP because of the hacker's channel or to try and avoid ntl's cap?

As I read it, the 'new ip' was to avoid DDOS attacks, but he/she was wondering if it was also a way round the CAPs. Seems fair enough.

[coolape]

Originally Posted by Russ D

So are you after a new IP because of the hacker's channel or to try and avoid ntl's cap?

im after a new ip if i get attacked, other than that i just leave the net on 24/7... But since i noticed the IP gets Changed if u change MAC, i came up with this theory.

I'm glad I don't live on the same ubr as you. You sound like just the sort of user ntl would like to be rid off, and i would agree with them. Shame about your theory, it won't work.

[coolape]

why would they want to get rid of me? im a paying customer, but by judging by your post i think that you think im somekind of hacker or something, Im only an operator there because i know some of them in real life, thats how i got to be an op there. I dont hack, i dont know how to hack, cant say i havent been reading about it but thats not the point, i havent "done" anything illegal so far.

Dont judge a book by its covers,. just because i hang arround in a hackers channel doesnt mean i am one.

Okay i have thought of doing something illegal by coming up with this theory, but i havent "done" it,..

I hope this clears up somethings....

*edited*
Oh and i wont be altering anything inside the modem supplied by ntl. I'd rather have a CAP on my account than no Internet at all.

[Russ]

I think Paul was referring to your usage levels....

Originally Posted by coolape

why would they want to get rid of me? im a paying customer, but by judging by your post i think that you think im somekind of hacker or something.

Nope, nothing to do with you being a hacker or not (except for the attacks on your ip). I was referring to your usage of 4GB a day (that's 120GB a month). You may be a paying customer, but you are not a profitable customer with that sort of usage, and you will certainly be having a detremental effect on other users on your ubr.

I think this is getting a little out of hand. The OP is, by his own admission, a heavy user. He has been suffering DDOS attacks, and has asked NTL for advice. They have advised changing IP address by switching off the modem long enough for the IP lease to expire. The OP has realised that a quicker way is to change the MAC address - nothing 'illegal' about this, though it could impact on other users as I pointed out earlier. The poster has then wondered if this could be a loophole in the way CAPs will be implemented. Dezzo pointed out that this was not the case. The poster then made the mistake of asking whether it would be possible to change the MAC address of the modem. Once it was pointed out that this would be a breach of the T&Cs, the poster accepted this. It may well be in the interest of the majority of users (myself included) if heavy users moved elsewhere, but that is a different issue.

[Edit] I see others have posted whilst I was writing this!

[coolape]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Nope, nothing to do with you being a hacker or not (except for the attacks on your ip). I was referring to your usage of 4GB a day (that's 120GB a month). You may be a paying customer, but you are not a profitable customer with that sort of usage, and you will certainly be having a detremental effect on other users on your ubr.

Ahha i see what you mean now, well thats what i recorded when i finished downloading slackware linux, freebsd, and gentoo linux... but since i dont use download managers, they dont always complete, and i'd have to restart the download. and it is not everyday i get to that limit, i'd say average is about 1.5 gigs a day, with Online gaming. dont forget i host a 6 player counter strike server for a few friends of mine. but i also do alot of graphics uploading and downloading, i forgot about that, and that is quite alot...

In my first post i said a 4 gig download daily, i meant the max i had reached in a day was 4 gigs maybe more.. but that was when i was recording how much i was doing, i havent been recording myself since then. but by looking at my status on the NIC, it is over 1 gigs right now.

[Russ]

Get the kettle on, expect the AUP any time at that rate

[BBKing]

What is NOT allowed

While changing MACs on your NIC is perfectly acceptable, one thing that will get you noticed is repeatedly changing MACs and getting new IPs - luckily, since this involves a lot of hassle, no one's likely to do it accidentally, but someone leasing several hundred IPs (because your old one is still leased) will get spotted, cut off and talked to remarkably quickly.

And yes, we should listen to people who are being DDosed, although I'm not totally sure what we can do (report the DOSer I suppose, but gathering the evidence is hard).

And whoever said turn your modem off for four hours to get a new IP should get a clue - the lease time is at least 48 hours these days.

Originally Posted by BBKing

While changing MACs on your NIC is perfectly acceptable, one thing that will get you noticed is repeatedly changing MACs and getting new IPs - luckily, since this involves a lot of hassle, no one's likely to do it accidentally, but someone leasing several hundred IPs (because your old one is still leased) will get spotted, cut off and talked to remarkably quickly.

Good point - an 'ipconfig /release' before changing MAC address might be in order?

[SOSAGES]

4 gig a day uploading pictures to a website and d/ling linux how many versions of linux can u use? and just how much webspace do u have - now torrent and donkey sites are closing down i think we will see a major drop in most peoples bandwidth usage.