President Trump 2.0

Labour, Lib Dems and Reform all have spoken out against Trump now on this. There is cross-party unity in the UK - and across Europe - against American on this.

Originally Posted by thenry

I'm happy as a pig in shit to point you in the direction of this quote and Google link...

What did Starmer say against Ukraine that you paraphrased "screwed Ukraine"?

Was it this from August 2022?

https://labourlist.org/2022/08/starm...n-sovereignty/

Keir Starmer has declared the Labour Party’s “unrelenting” support for Ukrainian sovereignty following a meeting with Ukrainian soldiers on the 31st anniversary of the country’s independence from the Soviet Union.

The Labour leader met with Ukrainian soldiers being trained by British Army officials today on a visit to Salisbury Plain. Speaking with Ukrainian and British personnel, Starmer reiterated the opposition party’s commitment to NATO and praised the work the organisation has done providing assistance to Ukraine.

Or perhaps in August 2024?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ar...f-independence

Keir Starmer has told Ukrainians that the UK will back them “today and always” as Kyiv marks 33 years since it declared independence from the Soviet Union.

The prime minister described his message to frontline fighters and people who have sought refuge in Britain as “crystal clear” as community groups, councils and parishes around the UK plan to mark the anniversary on Saturday.

Ukraine’s supreme soviet agreed the state should leave the Moscow-based Soviet Union on 24 August 1991, a decision which Ukrainian voters backed at a referendum in December the same year.

Starmer said: “My message to all Ukrainians, whether on the frontline or here in your second home in the UK, is crystal clear: we are with you today and always.

Or was it in March 2025?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-save-ukraine/

Britain and France will lead a European “coalition of the willing” to provide security guarantees to Ukraine and enable peace negotiations with Russia, Sir Keir Starmer said.

The Prime Minister said he and Emmanuel Macron, the president of France, were working together on a security plan which is believed to include peacekeeping troops on the ground.

This European security guarantee would then be put to the US for approval, Sir Keir added.

[thenry]

There's a lot of communication between our PM and the media I can't find the exact pieces. He has clearly spoken of his support for Ukraine which would be the opposite of screwed. It was just a clearer way of saying he wouldn't ignore what's happening to Ukraine.

There's some stuff in this lengthy piece but no, no mention of the actual word screwed

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2577476.html

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by thenry

There's a lot of communication between our PM and the media I can't find the exact pieces. He has clearly spoken of his support for Ukraine which would be the opposite of screwed. It was just a clearer way of saying he wouldn't ignore what's happening to Ukraine.

There's some stuff in this lengthy piece but no, no mention of the actual word screwed

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2577476.html

So to be clear he never said screwed

[Anonymouse]

Originally Posted by Hugh

What would you have him say?

Um, he's lost all ability to talk sense, it's more about what we say, viz. "Don't dismantle NATO and start a nuclear war".

Originally Posted by Carth

No need to do anything, I'd guess there are a few people already scratching his name on a bullet or two . . and some may be close to him

We can but hope. In a UFO reboot fanfic I'm trying to write, a member of the Secret Service does just that...despite being Republican, and despite knowing he won't (and doesn't) leave the room alive. Some of them are sensible, i.e. they don't agree with him. Right now they're our best bet.

Terrible, isn't it, when we're hoping an ostensible ally will be assassinated...?

(Wonder what Echelon will make of this, Carth? )

Mind you, has America ever had a forceful but successful Democratic president?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

Mind you, has America ever had a forceful but successful Democratic president?[/FONT]

They had the most forceful and successful imho in FDR

https://wapo.st/4pIFqTG

The Pentagon has ordered about 1,500 active-duty soldiers to prepare for a possible deployment to Minnesota, defense officials told The Washington Post late Saturday, after President Donald Trump threatened to invoke the Insurrection Act in response to unrest there.
The soldiers are assigned to two infantry battalions with the Army’s 11th Airborne Division, which is based in Alaska and specializes in cold-weather operations

[thenry]

Originally Posted by thenry

There's a lot of communication between our PM and the media I can't find the exact pieces. He has clearly spoken of his support for Ukraine which would be the opposite of screwed. It was just a clearer way of saying he wouldn't ignore what's happening to Ukraine.

There's some stuff in this lengthy piece but no, no mention of the actual word screwed

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2577476.html

I don't know why I posted that last night it makes no sense sorry.

By saying screw Ukraine I meant our PM agreeing with Trumps dressing down of Zelenskyy. Trump said Volodymyr Zelenskyy will be left with no Ukraine without US intervention

Trump: "If you didn't have our military equipment, this war would have been over in two weeks."

The white house bust up https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...he-oval-office

---------- Post added at 16:29 ---------- Previous post was at 16:20 ----------

And in a statement, a Downing Street spokesperson said Sir Keir had spoken to both Mr Trump and Mr Zelenskyy.

The spokesperson said: "He [Sir Keir] retains unwavering support for Ukraine, and is doing all he can to find a path forward to a lasting peace based on sovereignty and security for Ukraine."

The spokesperson added that the prime minister was "looking forward" to welcoming Mr Zelenskyy to the UK for a summit of international leaders on Sunday.

https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-i...hange-13319166

Later on our PM said he pretty much agreed with Trumps leadership. I'm trying to find quotes, if you have them please post

[Anonymouse]

He's saying the European troops are there "for reasons unknown". What?! Everyone else in the world knows why they're there, you moron: in case you follow through with this idea of invading Greenland!

DON'T kid yourselves. He is that stupid. NATO should expel the US as long as he's in charge.

Does he think he can fight the world? Well, Germany thought that in WWII. Got short shrift. They thought the UK, a not-big island, would be a pushover. WRONG.

"Who do you think you are kidding, Mr. Hitler
If you think we're on the run
We are the boys who will stop your little game
We are the boys who will make you think again
So who do you think you are kidding, Mr. Hitler
If you think old England's done?"

Although admittedly nukes didn't exist then...

[Carth]

The Pentagon has ordered about 1,500 active-duty soldiers to prepare for a possible deployment to Minnesota, defense officials told The Washington Post late Saturday, after President Donald Trump threatened to invoke the Insurrection Act in response to unrest there.
The soldiers are assigned to two infantry battalions with the Army’s 11th Airborne Division, which is based in Alaska and specializes in cold-weather operations

Just wondering aloud here, is he moving his troops out of Alaska for a specific (currently unrevealed) reason?

You would think he could find 1500 active soldiers without bringing them from Alaska . . . unless of course 3 days after hitting Minnesota they'll go to Greenland