Stabbing attack on train

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

And if somebody mugs the guard and takes the gun?

do i need to explain what happens when you bring a knife to a gun fight

[Carth]

As with everything, there has to be a balance, the costs involved versus the chance of something happening. A risk assessment as it were.

You could now put an armed soldier in every train carriage, on every bus, every motorway service station, or wherever you think there is *potential* for an incident. You can soon go over the top and achieve nothing but higher prices/costs to the general public.

Consider local councils spending £1.5 million on snow clearance initiatives . . but then it doesn't snow that year. Obviously that's an acceptable risk, whereas guards on every street corner isn't.

Apparently its down to just one person, not two.

... update from British Transport Police.

They say a 32-year-old man arrested yesterday is now being treated "as the only suspect".

"A 35-year-old man from London who was also arrested at the scene has been released with no further action," the update reads.

[ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cm2zvjx1z14t ]

So far, this is one incident on a train. There must be thousands and thousands of train routes run each day, with tens of thousands of journeys taken on them. I don't think we're at the point where we need to put arm guards on every train or, as someone suggested on the news this morning, airport-style security to get on them.

We cannot completely control every public space. If these incidents become more common, then we might need to react, but let's not throw out more freedoms in reaction to the, understandable, fear that one attack generates.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Damien

So far, this is one incident on a train. There must be thousands and thousands of train routes run each day, with tens of thousands of journeys taken on them. I don't think we're at the point where we need to put arm guards on every train or, as someone suggested on the news this morning, airport-style security to get on them.

We cannot completely control every public space. If these incidents become more common, then we might need to react, but let's not throw out more freedoms in reaction to the, understandable, fear that one attack generates.

I hope not, but this incident may well have given certain individuals a new idea to try.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93d...2a277b2e8#post

A 32-year-old from Peterborough has been charged with 10 counts of attempted murder, one count of actual bodily harm and one count of possession of bladed article following a stabbing attack on a train in Cambridgeshire on Saturday, British Transport Police says.

He is named as Anthony Williams.

They are also 'looking at other linked offences'. Social media is saying he did something the day before, albeit it was spreading a lot of rumours on the night of the attack, so we'll see.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93d...5b1c2d791#post

The police say that Anthony Williams, 32, is also being charged with an additional count of attempted murder and possession of a bladed article in relation to an incident on London's DLR network in the early hours of Saturday.

It is understood that a victim suffered facial injuries after being attacked with a knife at Pontoon Dock station on London's DLR network at 00:46.

Williams was later identified as a suspect.

People will have a go at the police, but it's less than 24 hours between attacks, not sure how realistic it is to have caught him before he went up north the next morning.

[nomadking]

I keep wondering whether these sorts of random non-targeted(?) attacks are confined to north of the 36th parallel or perhaps north of the 49th. How many take place south of the 36th parallel? Do they occur there frequently and are just not reported in Europe?
Just doesn't make sense if they are confined to the UK and perhaps Europe.

[Taf]

The start of a lot of crime and injuries was "Care in the Community".

Closing Mental Hospitals, and releasing the inmates, hoping that they would continue taking their meds and turn up for checks.

Originally Posted by nomadking

I keep wondering whether these sorts of random non-targeted(?) attacks are confined to north of the 36th parallel or perhaps north of the 49th. How many take place south of the 36th parallel? Do they occur there frequently and are just not reported in Europe?
Just doesn't make sense if they are confined to the UK and perhaps Europe.

It's just not reported as much here. Think of how many school shootings there are in America. This was just a few days ago: https://6abc.com/post/multiple-victi...sity/18071874/

There are several every year in America now, and it doesn't make national or international news the way Columbine did when they were relatively rare.

We're also just not as engaged with the news out of Africa or South America. Brazil has a very high murder rate.

What makes this so shocking for us is that the UK is actually relatively safe. Violence is not an everyday occurrence that is the backdrop of our lives.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's just not reported as much here. Think of how many school shootings there are in America. This was just a few days ago: https://6abc.com/post/multiple-victi...sity/18071874/

There are several every year in America now, and it doesn't make national or international news the way Columbine did when they were relatively rare.

We're also just not as engaged with the news out of Africa or South America. Brazil has a very high murder rate.

What makes this so shocking for us is that the UK is actually relatively safe. Violence is not an everyday occurrence that is the backdrop of our lives.

How many are random non-targeted attacks? It mysteriously doesn't occur evenly across all demographics in the UK.
Things like gang warfare have an identifiable reason. Even if we don't agree with the reason, we know what it is. These sorts of random non-targeted attacks don't have an identifiable reason or maybe they do.

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Originally Posted by Taf

The start of a lot of crime and injuries was "Care in the Community".

Closing Mental Hospitals, and releasing the inmates, hoping that they would continue taking their meds and turn up for checks.

Not those sort of attacks. If it was then they would've been occurring for centuries.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Taf

The start of a lot of crime and injuries was "Care in the Community".

Closing Mental Hospitals, and releasing the inmates, hoping that they would continue taking their meds and turn up for checks.

This is the truth, many were turfed out with no more than a slip of paper with an address on it and expected to go there for housing, of course after being institutionalised for decades it was doomed to fail. I remember hearing that dozens were found frozen to death every winter for years following the closure of our local hospital and now decades later things haven’t changed, the London Borough I used to live in merged with another to try and mask the horrific number of deaths still happening, people starving to death with cupboards full of food and the like, would've been kinder to have just taken them out the back and shot them.

This is pretty weird:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93d...03690ed22#post

After a brief appearance in Peterborough Magistrates' Court, Antony Williams has been remanded in custody.

Here's a reminder of what he has been charged with:

• Ten counts of attempted murder following a stabbing attack on a train in Cambridgeshire on Saturday
• Actual bodily harm in connection to an alleged assault on a police officer in a custody suite, following the train attack
• One count of possession of bladed article in connection to the incident in Cambridgeshire
• Another count of attempted murder in a separate incident at Pontoon Dock Docklands Light Railway (DLR) station, London, in the early hours of Saturday
• Another count of possession of a bladed article in connection to the incident at Pontoon Dock DLR station

and

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93d...12bf30874#post

Friday evening: A man seen with a knife at a barbers in Fletton, Peterborough

• Police say this happened at 19:25 GMT on Friday but was reported to them at 21:10 - two hours after the incident occurred
• They add that at the time of the report the man was no longer there so they did not send officers, but a "crime was raised"

Saturday morning: A second incident reported by barbers

• This was reported to police at 09:25 on Saturday, again by the barbers in Fletton, while the man was still at the scene. Officers were deployed to the location and arrived within 18 minutes

The barber incidents might not be him. But if it is, he was in Peterborough at 19:25 and then in East London in the early hours of Saturday morning before returning to Peterborough by 9:25 Saturday morning.

It's doable, but it's pretty crazy to randomly go from Peterborough to Patoon Dock, East London, overnight in between those two incidents.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien

This is pretty weird:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93d...03690ed22#post



and

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93d...12bf30874#post



The barber incidents might not be him. But if it is, he was in Peterborough at 19:25 and then in East London in the early hours of Saturday morning before returning to Peterborough by 9:25 Saturday morning.

It's doable, but it's pretty crazy to randomly go from Peterborough to Patoon Dock, East London, overnight in between those two incidents.

There's a possibility that this individual may be a little unhinged and not behaving to recognised norms

Originally Posted by papa smurf

There's a possibility that this individual may be a little unhinged and not behaving to recognised norms

Yeah, sounds like he was going back and forth between London and Peterborough. The train he stabbed people on was heading back to London. Maybe full on mania or something.

[SnoopZ]

I drive past the station on the way to work, it was still roped off by police at 5.45am, very shocking.