Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
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Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
If you are going to jail someone for incitement in text form ie X then imo Joe Brand if she did say something about throwing acid on him is equally as guilty of incitement even if it was a joke and as she has more of a following than Lucy Connolly she is even more guilty imo . Hate is hate throwing in race should not make it any worse an offense it is unbalanced
If some white moron decides to beat me to death I can rest in peace easy knowing its not as bad as someone from a different race doing it
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14-09-2025, 21:18
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Originally Posted by Chris
As Kirk was something of a free speech absolutist I doubt he’d approve of doxxing people and getting them fired in the way that website seeks to.
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You might be right..... That may be stepping over the line!! (As this country does alot)
Thanx for removiing the link,I didnt mean any harm by it.......
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14-09-2025, 21:32
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Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss
If you are going to jail someone for incitement in text form ie X then imo Joe Brand if she did say something about throwing acid on him is equally as guilty of incitement even if it was a joke and as she has more of a following than Lucy Connolly she is even more guilty imo . Hate is hate throwing in race should not make it any worse an offense it is unbalanced
If some white moron decides to beat me to death I can rest in peace easy knowing its not as bad as someone from a different race doing it
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Brand was clearly joking, though. It would be impossible to miss from the full context.
But I also think Connolly fell short of needing a conviction, albeit it was a horrible tweet.
I am not a free speech absolutist. I think if someone is advocating violence against someone seriously, they should be arrested. Someone at the far-right march said that of Starmer, and I don't know why he wasn't arrested for advocating violence against a politican.
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Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
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Brand was clearly joking, though. It would be impossible to miss from the full context.
But I also think Connolly fell short of needing a conviction, albeit it was a horrible tweet.
I am not a free speech absolutist. I think if someone is advocating violence against someone seriously, they should be arrested. Someone at the far-right march said that of Starmer, and I don't know why he wasn't arrested for advocating violence against a politican.
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It just shows why hate speech laws are a mess, and should be removed and re-thought.
the very term "hate speech" is too broad. Why can't I say something hateful?
You can't legislate away emotions.
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Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
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It just shows why hate speech laws are a mess, and should be removed and re-thought.
the very term "hate speech" is too broad. Why can't I say something hateful?
You can't legislate away emotions.
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A good article here about the law around it and why Musk did not break it but someone calling for Starmer to be killed did break the law.
A key point is whether inflammatory speech carries the threat of provoking “immediate unlawful violence" This is the threshold set by Parliament that such speech must cross to constitute criminality.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-break-the-law
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Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
A good article here about the law around it and why Musk did not break it but someone calling for Starmer to be killed did break the law.
A key point is whether inflammatory speech carries the threat of provoking “immediate unlawful violence" This is the threshold set by Parliament that such speech must cross to constitute criminality.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-break-the-law |
Anyone know off-hand what the actual legal status of the term “hate speech” is - does it have a legal basis or is it shorthand for something legislation describes differently?
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Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
Well I guess you can do the same search as me ...
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No, "hate speech" does not have a single, specific legal definition in the UK, but rather several laws address specific acts that are considered hate crimes or offenses.
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Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_s...United_Kingdom
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Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
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