Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Case in point, Kirk was willing to debate and talk, killed by a leftist, solely for that reason.

Are you sure? He was not registered with any political party.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

There’s nothing in that article that suggests the etching on the bullets is incorrect.

Post the specific parts that back up your assertion.

Per the article, the Wall Street Journal changed its headline from 'Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology: Sources' to 'Early Bulletin Said Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology; Some Sources Urge Caution'.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

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There’s nothing in that article that suggests the etching on the bullets is incorrect.

Post the specific parts that back up your assertion.

How can etching be correct or incorrect?

If you mean the paper's interpretation of them, the Wall Street Journal got this wrong as well.

Contrary to the Journal’s report, the inscriptions reflected a scatter of memes and cultural references: “Hey fascist catch!” with arrows, the anti-fascist song lyric “Bella Ciao,” “If you read this, U are gay LMAO,” and the internet meme phrase “notices bulge, OwO what’s this?”

That last inscription has long circulated in online spaces as an exaggerated parody of flirtation popular in furry and role-play communities, later absorbed into meme culture. As KnowYourMeme documents, it is a digital joke and not a political doctrine.

Originally Posted by Pierre

If I have some time I will, respond in depth

The difference is…..the left paint themselves as the nice people, on the right side of history, be nice, be kind, etc etc etc.

When it comes down to it, they are the most violent (antifa) and most authoritarian. They won’t engage in debate, hate anyone that disagrees with them, and ultimately kills those that challenges them.

Don't most people think they're nice, kind and on the right-side of history? Are there many right-wingers who think they're nasty people doing bad things? Most people think they're well-intentioned just as a way to live with themselves.

Also, I don't think you can say the left kills those who challenge them based on rare incidents. But if they are, then why are the right-wing terrorists killing people if not being they have a fundamental disagreement? The pro-abortion Democratic senator wasn't murdered because the shooter agreed with her on the issue. Jo Cox was pretty much murdered by someone with a very different worldview from hers, and although the assassination of MLK is a whole can of worms to open, he was assassinated because he was leading a civil rights movement.


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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Are you sure? He was not registered with any political party.

We might as well just wait and see. When this first happened, there were people online stating the shooter was trans.

So far it's looking like someone who hated Kirk, was probably left-wing since it's odd to hate someone for being a fascist if you're on the right, but loved guns and came from a Republican family.

Originally Posted by Damien

We might as well just wait and see. When this first happened, there were people online stating the shooter was trans.

Apparently that was another of these stupid rumours started because (allegedly) the recovered bullets were stamped with "TRN" - which is the manufacturers code (Turan).

[Dude111]

As they should be!!!

Keep tabs here: admin edit (Chris): Doxxing web address removed. Please don’t share material like this, which is designed to provoke further conflict.

Over 1000 now............ Absolutely sickening this is going on!!

What is wrong with this stupid country??

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Dude111

As they should be!!!

Keep tabs here: admin edit (Chris): Doxxing web address removed. Please don’t share material like this, which is designed to provoke further conflict.

Over 1000 now............ Absolutely sickening this is going on!!

What is wrong with this stupid country??

They may well lack class but what happened to the free speech that was so important...

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

They may well lack class but what happened to the free speech that was so important...

Nothing.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

They may well lack class but what happened to the free speech that was so important...

Wrong kind of free speech.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Wrong kind of free speech.

That’s Fffing rich after all the cancel culture there’s been in the last decade around anyone that goes against so called “woke” culture.

I don’t agree with that website. But anyone celebrating the death of a 31yr old man with a young family just because of the opinions he held. I don’t have an issue with them being called out.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

That’s Fffing rich after all the cancel culture there’s been in the last decade around anyone that goes against so called “woke” culture.

I don’t agree with that website. But anyone celebrating the death of a 31yr old man with a young family just because of the opinions he held. I don’t have an issue with them being called out.

Nail on head

I disagreed with a lot of the principles he held but he had a right to say them, free speech can’t just be a privilege that only the ‘left’ hold.

You can tell the above is the relaxed me just back from holiday, idk how long it will last mind

Originally Posted by Dude111

As they should be!!!

Keep tabs here: admin edit (Chris): Doxxing web address removed. Please don’t share material like this, which is designed to provoke further conflict.

Over 1000 now............ Absolutely sickening this is going on!!

What is wrong with this stupid country??

As Kirk was something of a free speech absolutist I doubt he’d approve of doxxing people and getting them fired in the way that website seeks to.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

That’s Fffing rich after all the cancel culture there’s been in the last decade around anyone that goes against so called “woke” culture.

I don’t agree with that website. But anyone celebrating the death of a 31yr old man with a young family just because of the opinions he held. I don’t have an issue with them being called out.

Two wrongs don't make a right. And plenty of cancel culture in the US is on the right.

There's a quote from someone on that site saying "Is the gun alright?" Now that's thoroughly distasteful and very dark humour. But that doesn't not make them someone celebrating anyone's death.

The website is just an attempt to encourage people in the future not to post as opposed to advocating for common humanity and getting to the root cause of the problem.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Two wrongs don't make a right. And plenty of cancel culture in the US is on the right.

There's a quote from someone on that site saying "Is the gun alright?" Now that's thoroughly distasteful and very dark humour. But that doesn't not make them someone celebrating anyone's death.

The website is just an attempt to encourage people in the future not to post as opposed to advocating for common humanity and getting to the root cause of the problem.

That website, which I didn’t look at BTW. I have no interest in. it’s been blocked and good riddance.

My objection is to your comment.

Wrong kind of free speech

which is Fffing laughable.

The amount of people that have been cancelled or deplatformed in recent years because they held contrary views to the progressive left. The instances are there for all to see.

The very irony of your post is that Charlie Kirk was indeed assassinated because he had the

Wrong kind of free speech.

We dont actually know the reason(s) yet, but its a reasonable assumption.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

That website, which I didn’t look at BTW. I have no interest in. it’s been blocked and good riddance.

My objection is to your comment.

which is Fffing laughable.

The amount of people that have been cancelled or deplatformed in recent years because they held contrary views to the progressive left. The instances are there for all to see.

The very irony of your post is that Charlie Kirk was indeed assassinated because he had the

No one's saying that people have not been deplatformed by the left. But people and their content also have been deplatformed by right-wingers, especially in America.

It's a bit like your post the other day when you said that the left kills those who challenge them and you ignored the right.

As far as I'm aware, we don't know the killer's motives. Rachel kleinfield of the Carnegie Edowment for Institutional Peace notes:

Political violence follows predictable patterns. Most assailants are aggressive, often mentally unbalanced, and hold a hodgepodge of beliefs that are not easily categorised as left or right. Ronald Reagan’s would-be assassin was trying to impress the actress Jodie Foster; the man who shot Donald Trump also considered targeting Joe Biden. From what we know of Tyler Robinson to date, he may share similarly tangled beliefs.

https://www.ft.com/content/27a7c75b-...0-8d9f48866661

I've said it before. There are very few free speech absolutists. Most people who complain about a lack of free speech are only concerned for their free speech. Farage called for the police to investigate Jo Brand for making a joke about throwing battery acid on him, but defends Lucy Connolly.

There are a few libertarians like Dave Smith who are consistent on this, but it's so rare.