Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I’ll make it easy, Show me the industrialised slaughter of Palestinians.

Show me trains, buses, wagons of civilians being brought into holding camps and killed, and then tossed into mass graves after having all their valuables taken from them.

Show me Palestinians bring lined up on the edge of mass graves and being machine gunned, to fall on top of the previous line up that aren’t all already dead.


Israel is nothing like Nazi Germany, to suggest so is, I repeat, utter bollocks.

So because the methods aren’t the same the intent isn’t ?

You know very well the stance of multiple members of the Israeli government past and present. Don’t try to suggest otherwise.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

How so?

You and I both know there have been multiple politicians in Israeli governments who have stated they want Palestinians wiped out. Earlier this year a member of the israeli government stated that all adult Gaza men should be executed and that the Palestinians were sub human and no one wanted them.

Israel is on the verge of becoming a pariah state. They’ve proved that even with backing and significant military they can’t eradicate Hamas , they’ve little to zero care for civilian casualties, they’ve pushed pretty much the entire population into starvation by placing a stranglehold on aid getting into the country. iIRC less than 5% of farmable land is available for use.

This is now a war against Hamas in name only.

These "multiple politicians" are about 50% of the Knesset. They represent the power hungry Likud party headed by Netanyahu (who has criminal charges hanging over him) and a bunch of nasty religious zealots.

That is not Israel - it is a bunch of nutters that have saved Netanyahu's neck. The public demonstrations in Israel against this government are both a sign of Israel's democracy and a sign of things hopefully to come at the next GE.

What has to be done now is as follows, INHO:

1. Hamas to release the remaining hostages.

2. Israel to then withdraw from Gaza so that aid flows unimpeded.

3. Israel to monitor via intelligence any arms supplies from Yemen or Iran.

4. Regional conference to be held to discuss rebuilding Gaza.

The political situation in Israel would bear on this and the USA thus has an important moderating role to play.

All this "pariah" venting is no more than virtue signalling.

To sum up, Hamas committed a hideous crime against Israel for which Gaza is being over-punished, save that Hamas could have stopped this months ago by releasing the hostages.

[Carth]

I don't believe there are now any hostages, just bodies (unless they've been shipped out to Iran or somewhere)

Hands up all those who think Israel stopping the fighting and allowing Gaza (Hamas) to rebuild will lead to peace and harmony between the two for a period of . . . hmm . . lets say 10 years

[Sephiroth]

Carth is right. But the carnage has to stop and Israel must avoid (if not too late) being classed as no better than Hamas.

The Palestinians/Gazans will never reconcile with Israel and Israel must thus keep them militarily impotent.

The change that is required is a change of government in Israel. The next GE is due in October 2026.

[Carth]

Not good enough just to change the Government in Israel, Gaza also needs better than Hamas to make it work.

Originally Posted by Carth

Not good enough just to change the Government in Israel, Gaza also needs better than Hamas to make it work.

What Carth said...

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

So because the methods aren’t the same the intent isn’t ?

You know very well the stance of multiple members of the Israeli government past and present. Don’t try to suggest otherwise.

Correct it’s not the same, not by a long long way,

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

Not good enough just to change the Government in Israel, Gaza also needs better than Hamas to make it work.

Agreed

[Pierre]

https://honestreporting.com/the-star...vation-photos/

Yes, I remember when the Jews staged all those photos from Auschwitz ……………..

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

https://honestreporting.com/the-star...vation-photos/

Yes, I remember when the Jews staged all those photos from Auschwitz ……………..

The solution to accurate reporting in Gaza is simple: Let journalists into Gaza, and when they're there, don't kill them.

Five Al Jazeera employees, described as among the "last remaining voices within Gaza", were killed in an Israeli air strike on Sunday evening.

Correspondents Anas Al-Sharif and Mohammed Qreiqeh, camera operators Ibrahim Zaher and Moamen Aliwa, and their assistant Mohammed Noufal, died after a strike on a tent near al Shifa Hospital in Gaza.

The Israeli military defended the targeted attack, asserting that the most prominent of the group, Sharif, was the head of a Hamas terrorist cell and only "posed as a journalist" - claims consistently denied by Sharif himself, Al Jazeera and the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ).

https://news.sky.com/story/who-were-...-gaza-13409997

Israel kills prominent Al Jazeera reporter in Gaza

Anas al-Sharif was well known across the Arab world for reports on famine in the enclave

Israel has killed a prominent Al Jazeera correspondent in Gaza and four of his colleagues at the television network in an air strike targeting them in a media tent.

The Israeli military took credit for the strike that killed Anas Al-Sharif, 28 — which local medics said took place on Sunday night outside a northern Gaza hospital — after months of threats and unproven allegations that he was the head of a Hamas cell.

The Qatari-controlled TV network said Sharif’s killing was a “desperate attempt to silence voices in anticipation of the occupation of Gaza”, adding the strike killed three other journalists and another staff member.

The Committee to Protect Journalists last month warned that Sharif — who was also part of a Reuters photo team who won a Pulitzer Prize in 2024 — was being smeared with unproven ties to Hamas to pave the path for his assassination.

Sharif was among the last remaining Al Jazeera correspondents in Gaza, with CPJ saying Israel had killed at least six others.

He had most recently reported from northern Gaza, where a famine is unfolding under an Israeli blockade.

https://www.ft.com/content/1bd1e23c-...8-f740f7a28282

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The solution to accurate reporting in Gaza is simple: Let journalists into Gaza, and when they're there, don't kill them.


https://news.sky.com/story/who-were-...-gaza-13409997


https://www.ft.com/content/1bd1e23c-...8-f740f7a28282

Don’t be a HAMAS affiliate then, and maybe you won’t be killed.

https://honestreporting.com/gaza-jou...-the-evidence/

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Don’t be a HAMAS affiliate then, and maybe you won’t be killed.

https://honestreporting.com/gaza-jou...-the-evidence/

Your blind loyalty to that Netanyahu-loving website is touching.

But you've failed to address the ban on allowing journalists into Gaza.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Your blind loyalty to that Netanyahu-loving website is touching.

But you've failed to address the ban on allowing journalists into Gaza.

Of course he failed to address the ban on allowing journalists into Gaza. There's nothing to address - it would be pure speculation and would give Israel grief, who are trying to defeat Hamas.

Journos who did go into Gaza took a risk that they would have understood. That said, I could think of one or two journos that .....

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Your blind loyalty to that Netanyahu-loving website is touching.

So is yours to HAMAS apologist main stream media.

But you've failed to address the ban on allowing journalists into Gaza.

You show me a conflict were journalists have had had unfettered access to front line war.

Journalists have been allowed in Gaza under IDF escort, as is normal in front line war zones.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Journalists have been allowed in Gaza under IDF escort, as is normal in front line war zones.

War reporters can also be embedded elsewhere in a conflict. The reason they're allowed in 'under IDF escort' is because the IDF then controls what they see, where they go and who they talk to. They don't even like reporters recording over Gaza as they fly because of the devastation they've levelled upon it.

https://news.sky.com/story/israels-b...stand-13385627