Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I’ll make it easy, Show me the industrialised slaughter of Palestinians.

Show me trains, buses, wagons of civilians being brought into holding camps and killed, and then tossed into mass graves after having all their valuables taken from them.

Show me Palestinians bring lined up on the edge of mass graves and being machine gunned, to fall on top of the previous line up that aren’t all already dead.


Israel is nothing like Nazi Germany, to suggest so is, I repeat, utter bollocks.

So because the methods aren’t the same the intent isn’t ?

You know very well the stance of multiple members of the Israeli government past and present. Don’t try to suggest otherwise.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

How so?

You and I both know there have been multiple politicians in Israeli governments who have stated they want Palestinians wiped out. Earlier this year a member of the israeli government stated that all adult Gaza men should be executed and that the Palestinians were sub human and no one wanted them.

Israel is on the verge of becoming a pariah state. They’ve proved that even with backing and significant military they can’t eradicate Hamas , they’ve little to zero care for civilian casualties, they’ve pushed pretty much the entire population into starvation by placing a stranglehold on aid getting into the country. iIRC less than 5% of farmable land is available for use.

This is now a war against Hamas in name only.

These "multiple politicians" are about 50% of the Knesset. They represent the power hungry Likud party headed by Netanyahu (who has criminal charges hanging over him) and a bunch of nasty religious zealots.

That is not Israel - it is a bunch of nutters that have saved Netanyahu's neck. The public demonstrations in Israel against this government are both a sign of Israel's democracy and a sign of things hopefully to come at the next GE.

What has to be done now is as follows, INHO:

1. Hamas to release the remaining hostages.

2. Israel to then withdraw from Gaza so that aid flows unimpeded.

3. Israel to monitor via intelligence any arms supplies from Yemen or Iran.

4. Regional conference to be held to discuss rebuilding Gaza.

The political situation in Israel would bear on this and the USA thus has an important moderating role to play.

All this "pariah" venting is no more than virtue signalling.

To sum up, Hamas committed a hideous crime against Israel for which Gaza is being over-punished, save that Hamas could have stopped this months ago by releasing the hostages.

[Carth]

I don't believe there are now any hostages, just bodies (unless they've been shipped out to Iran or somewhere)

Hands up all those who think Israel stopping the fighting and allowing Gaza (Hamas) to rebuild will lead to peace and harmony between the two for a period of . . . hmm . . lets say 10 years

[Sephiroth]

Carth is right. But the carnage has to stop and Israel must avoid (if not too late) being classed as no better than Hamas.

The Palestinians/Gazans will never reconcile with Israel and Israel must thus keep them militarily impotent.

The change that is required is a change of government in Israel. The next GE is due in October 2026.

[Carth]

Not good enough just to change the Government in Israel, Gaza also needs better than Hamas to make it work.

Originally Posted by Carth

Not good enough just to change the Government in Israel, Gaza also needs better than Hamas to make it work.

What Carth said...

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

So because the methods aren’t the same the intent isn’t ?

You know very well the stance of multiple members of the Israeli government past and present. Don’t try to suggest otherwise.

Correct it’s not the same, not by a long long way,

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

Not good enough just to change the Government in Israel, Gaza also needs better than Hamas to make it work.

Agreed

[Pierre]

https://honestreporting.com/the-star...vation-photos/

Yes, I remember when the Jews staged all those photos from Auschwitz ……………..