Online Safety Bill Etc

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Chris

You seem to think that they did it in order to teach a lesson. That is, without doubt, disproportionate and a misuse of the power of detention. Make up your mind.

No, I suggested that this may be the case. I don't know for sure either way.

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Originally Posted by Paul

Do you even realise how incrediby daft that definition is ?
By that standard anyone can simply say anything anyone else says is "malicious or offensive".

Not to mention in this case the comments were in a PRIVATE conversation between unrelated people.

I've already addressed these points further up thread.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

No, I suggested that this may be the case. I don't know for sure either way..

Which brings us, full circle, to the somewhat troubling way you clapped like a performing seal when you posted the news item yesterday. Uncritical approval of police action whose motivations you do not know, and aspects of which you admit may not look great, is not a good look on you.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

No, if it was clearly nothing offensive like 'Do you like apple pie', you would be given short thrift if you complained.

No, sorry I consider “do you like apple pie” as a pseudo racial slur, like “cotton picker” and I’m going to complain about you and have you arrested and detained for 8hrs.

If someone inadvertently offended someone, for example by using a dated term for a black person, and they genuinely didn't mean to be offensive, they would be only too pleased to negate the offense caused by withdrawing and apologising for the remark. If they refuse to do so, this would call into question whether if was accidental and if it was deliberately said in order to cause upset. The incident would then be viewed in an entirely different light.

By your standard, accidental or not, they would be arrested and detained for 8hrs whilst investigated before any option was given to apologise, indeed they would not even be advised about what it was they said was supposedly offensive.

You are clueless about what you are advocating…..clueless.

Perhaps it is down to whatever cognitive disability you claim to have, in that case I would reevaluate your statements on the matter as your often cited cognitive disability is potentially affecting your reasoning on the subject matter.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Pierre

No, sorry I consider “do you like apple pie” as a pseudo racial slur, like “cotton picker” and I’m going to complain about you and have you arrested and detained for 8hrs.



By your standard, accidental or not, they would be arrested and detained for 8hrs whilst investigated before any option was given to apologise, indeed they would not even be advised about what it was they said was supposedly offensive.

You are clueless about what you are advocating…..clueless.

Perhaps it is down to whatever cognitive disability you claim to have, in that case I would reevaluate your statements on the matter as your often cited cognitive disability is potentially affecting your reasoning on the subject matter.

do you get a certificate for that?

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Chris

Which brings us, full circle, to the somewhat troubling way you clapped like a performing seal when you posted the news item yesterday. Uncritical approval of police action whose motivations you do not know, and aspects of which you admit may not look great, is not a good look on you.

We are more like going round & round in circles, with you making rude comments. I'm surprised at this as you have previously said that people should be more polite on here.

Again, I said that the police seemed to be going overboard.

Neither you nor I know the reasons why the police behaved as they did, they may or may not have been justified. Any investigation should hopefully find this out.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

No, sorry I consider “do you like apple pie” as a pseudo racial slur, like “cotton picker” and I’m going to complain about you and have you arrested and detained for 8hrs.



By your standard, accidental or not, they would be arrested and detained for 8hrs whilst investigated before any option was given to apologise, indeed they would not even be advised about what it was they said was supposedly offensive.

You are clueless about what you are advocating…..clueless.

Perhaps it is down to whatever cognitive disability you claim to have, in that case I would reevaluate your statements on the matter as your often cited cognitive disability is potentially affecting your reasoning on the subject matter.

Feel free to go through the official channels and make a complaint & let me know how you get on. Of course, you won't, because, as opposed to playing devil's advocate, you just like to troll various threads with silly comments/arguments.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

do you get a certificate for that?

I don't understand what you mean. What kind of certificate are you referring to? For disabilities??

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

We are more like going round & round in circles, with you making rude comments. I'm surprised at this as you have previously said that people should be more polite on here.

Again, I said that the police seemed to be going overboard.

Neither you nor I know the reasons why the police behaved as they did, they may or may not have been justified. Any investigation should hopefully find this out.

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Feel free to go through the official channels and make a complaint & let me know how you get on. Of course, you won't, because, as opposed to playing devil's advocate, you just like to troll various threads with silly comments/arguments.

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I don't understand what you mean. What kind of certificate are you referring to? For disabilities??

i was simply asking if a person claims to have cognitive disabilities do they get a certificate of proof of the alleged condition.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i was simply asking if a person claims to have cognitive disabilities do they get a certificate of proof of the alleged condition.

Strange question. But I would have thought his posts, obsessional tendencies along with complete lack of understandings of other opinions other than his own would be proof enough.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by peanut

Strange question. But I would have thought his posts, obsessional tendencies along with complete lack of understandings of other opinions other than his own would be proof enough.

i don't know who you are referring too i assume it's a theoretical person

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

you just like to troll various threads with silly comments/arguments.

I can only assume you were looking in the mirror as you typed that out.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I can only assume you were looking in the mirror as you typed that out.

Examples?

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

i was simply asking if a person claims to have cognitive disabilities do they get a certificate of proof of the alleged condition.

I see. The only certificate that i'm aware of is one to claim Council Tax exemption.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i was simply asking if a person claims to have cognitive disabilities do they get a certificate of proof of the alleged condition.

There’s no certificate, as with pretty much any diagnosis just a letter from the GP confirming whatever condition but you need to request it and in some cases GPs charge for it, usually about £10 but this isn’t common.

[RichardCoulter]

Just seen a post on facebook where a group of paedophile hunters are complaining that Welsh police have again been to see one of their team regarding posts he made on the platform.

These people seem to think that laws don't apply when talking about (alleged) paedophiles. Just because someone dislikes the possibility of someone belonging to a certain group (maybe with good reason) doesn't exempt them from the law of the land.

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Originally Posted by Russ

There’s no certificate, as with pretty much any diagnosis just a letter from the GP confirming whatever condition but you need to request it and in some cases GPs charge for it, usually about £10 but this isn’t common.

Yes, that's been my experience too, (though they've never charged me).

[Russ]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Just seen a post on facebook where a group of paedophile hunters are complaining that Welsh police have again been to see one of their team regarding posts he made on the platform.

These people seem to think that laws don't apply when talking about (alleged) paedophiles. Just because someone dislikes the possibility of someone belonging to a certain group (maybe with good reason) doesn't exempt them from the law of the land.

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Yes, that's been my experience too, (though they've never charged me).

Without knowing what/who you’re talking about it’s hard to comment on whatever the hell you’re talking about but the only times the police have ever been in touch with us (and any groups we associate with) has been when comments have been posted that could either incite retaliation crimes or jeopardise the case.

Either way any decent hunter team ought to have an admin who monitors the chat in live stings etc and removes such posts asap.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Russ

Without knowing what/who you’re talking about it’s hard to comment on whatever the hell you’re talking about but the only times the police have ever been in touch with us (and any groups we associate with) has been when comments have been posted that could either incite retaliation crimes or jeopardise the case.

Either way any decent hunter team ought to have an admin who monitors the chat in live stings etc and removes such posts asap.

a bit like Alfred in the Bat cave monitoring the bat computer assisting you boy wonders to clean up Gotham city, jiminy jillikers, do you get a cape mask and utility belt.

[Russ]

No but we do get a free keyring and a pen.