President Trump 2.0

Originally Posted by Damien

The Greenland thing continues. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgwjllld1ro



Danish TV also said that US representatives went to several homes in Greenland to ask if the residents would welcome a visit from Usha Vance, but they declined. Along with a business that had previously accepted her visit revoking that invitation when it emerged she would be joined by Mike Waltz.

I am not sure how the US thinks this is going to work. Denmark is against the US taking Greenland, the residents are against the US taking their home. The only way it looks like happening is if they take it by force. The US can do that, but they're unlikely to go that far.

So that's the point in continuing to sabrerattle on it?

One of the more bizarre traits of the Trump administration is their willingness to upset their allies for no good reason other than to upset them. It's a Government of trolls. It's the same as Vance having a pop at the UK over our military. What good did that do them? It made the UK population turn more against America, and they gained nothing from it.

Yes, well done, you've dismissed the efforts and even lives given by the UK in partnership with you and thus upset everyone in the country. Why?

Because they live in a social media echo-chamber which pats them on the back every time they pwn teh libs or do something MAGA.

And also because the Trump admin is an unholy alliance of an ageing boomer who, deep down, knows his days of relevance are fast vanishing, and nihilistic Gen-Xers who give him the relevance he craves in return for the keys to the Corvette they were never allowed to drive when they were 18.

Originally Posted by Chris

Because they live in a social media echo-chamber which pats them on the back every time they pwn teh libs or do something MAGA.

And also because the Trump admin is an unholy alliance of an ageing boomer who, deep down, knows his days of relevance are fast vanishing, and nihilistic Gen-Xers who give him the relevance he craves in return for the keys to the Corvette they were never allowed to drive when they were 18.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

it happens......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57624942

Happened under Biden too.

https://news.sky.com/story/ministry-...uracy-12855476

Bad as those were, they're not really the same thing by any stretch of the imagination. Signalgate involves named individuals at the top of government and security breaching protocol, a breach of security by many individuals not one and real time information placing a mission in jeopardy.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Bad as those were, they're not really the same thing by any stretch of the imagination. Signalgate involves named individuals at the top of government and security breaching protocol, a breach of security by many individuals not one and real time information placing a mission in jeopardy.

The question is how did a Trump hating journalist "accidentally" get included onto a government signal chat?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The question is how did a Trump hating journalist "accidentally" get included onto a government signal chat?

The adjective is wrong but that's one of many questions.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The question is how did a Trump hating journalist "accidentally" get included onto a government signal chat?

Nothing to do with his personal opinion at all. A journalist got invited to a government message group about a military operation.

That is all that matters. Who did the person that added him get confused with?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The adjective is wrong but that's one of many questions.

The statement:

"The question is how did a Trump hating journalist "accidentally" get included onto a government signal chat?"

is a perfect example of the MAGA mindset, coming straight from the Fox News airwaves. It fails to address the real issues e.g. security, lack of probity, process, etc. and instead, tries to turn it around and tries to spin a childlike conspiracy theory.

The sad part is that people swallow this BS ...

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Bad as those were, they're not really the same thing by any stretch of the imagination. Signalgate involves named individuals at the top of government and security breaching protocol, a breach of security by many individuals not one and real time information placing a mission in jeopardy.

They're doing it on purpose, they all are, by using that app there's no records, no freedom of information requests and no accountability. If they weren't so incompetent they'd have got away with it too.

Another fine example of breathtaking incompetence with real life consequences is RFK telling people on fox news that vitamin A and cod liver oil prevents measles and now with horrible predictability hospitals are now treating children with liver damage because their parents have over loaded them on it, oh and they still have measles too, these ****ing people...

Originally Posted by Pierre

The question is how did a Trump hating journalist "accidentally" get included onto a government signal chat?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...y?id=120179649

On Tuesday night, however, Waltz said he was the one responsible for what took place.

"I take full responsibility. I built the group," Waltz told Fox News' Laura Ingraham.

At the same time, Waltz tried to flip the script and blame Goldberg -- suggesting the editor could have somehow wormed his way in to the group chat.

"Of course, I didn't see this loser in the group. It looked like someone else. Now, whether he did it deliberately or it happened in some other technical mean, is something we're trying to figure out," Waltz said, without evidence, on Fox News.

Signal registers users through their phone numbers and group chats are controlled by users designated as administrators, who have the authority to invite and reject users at will.

"I didn't hack into anyone's phone," Goldberg told ABC News Live anchor Kyra Phillips on Wednesday. "Mike Waltz invited me to Signal and then he invited me to a group. I don't know how to say it more simply than that."

Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, in testimony before the House Intelligence Committee on Wednesday, told lawmakers that adding Goldberg was a "mistake."

"It was a mistake that a reporter was inadvertently added to a signal chat with high-level national security principles, having a policy discussion about imminent strikes against the Houthis and the effects of the strike," Gabbard said.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt on Wednesday said Waltz "has taken responsibility for this matter" and it's under review.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Who did the person that added him get confused with?

Were they confused?

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Originally Posted by ianch99

The statement: is a perfect example of the MAGA mindset, coming straight from the Fox News airwaves. It fails to address the real issues e.g. security, lack of probity, process, etc. and instead, tries to turn it around and tries to spin a childlike conspiracy theory.

The sad part is that people swallow this BS ...

I don't watch Fox

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"I take full responsibility. I built the group," Waltz told Fox News' Laura Ingraham.

Well if that's the case, then it's case closed isn't it?

Incompetence, he should be sacked. that's it.

[RichardCoulter]

Trump has signed an executive order regarding the Smithsinian Institute for 'divisive, race-centered ideology' and wants to defund PBS for alleged left wing bias.

https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2025...xecutive-order

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonio...-broadcasters/

No wonder he's friends with Putin, this is the action of a dictator.

I have read reports that medical experts have said that Trump is displaying signs of dementia or other mental issues. If he does have it, I assume that this would allow them to get rid of him. Ironic considering that he mocked Biden for cognitive dysfunction.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42580762

[ianch99]

Vance is currently in Greenland at the US base and is ramping up the rhetoric which will result in the US going in force and claiming the island as a new US territory:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwyd5zr20gdt

VP says Denmark has not done 'good enough job' for Greenland

Continuing, Vance says that the US "honours" the sacrifices of Danish soldiers who fought with the US in the "war on terror 20 years ago".

He says that important security partnerships from the past does not mean they can't have tough talk with partners in the present

"Our message to Denmark is simple, you have not done a good job for the people of Greenland. This is why Trump's policy is what it is."

He adds that Denmark was "under-invested in Greenland's security architecture".

The vice-president now criticises Denmark, saying the area surrounding the Pituffik Space Base is "less secure" than it was 30-40 years ago.

He says as Russia and China have "taken greater and greater interest in this base", our allies in Europe haven't kept up.

Vance says Denmark has not invested enough to keep the area safe.

Trump has said:

We're pivoting for a moment back to Washington, where President Donald Trump - who repeatedly said he wants the US to take over Greenland - has just been speaking with reporters in the White House. He was asked about JD Vance's trip to the Arctic territory.

Trump says that Greenland is "very important for the peace of the world".

And he then follows that up by saying:

"I think the European Union understands it, and if they don't - we're going to have to explain it."

"We have to have Greenland. It's not a question of 'do you think we can do without it.' We can't."

Donald Trump, US president

What would Denmark, and therefore the EU, do when they take over?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Vance is currently in Greenland at the US base and is ramping up the rhetoric which will result in the US going in force and claiming the island

Greenland should arrest him as an enemy of the state. Make him a prisoner of war and set him to work sewing fishing nets.

Originally Posted by ianch99

What would Denmark, and therefore the EU, do when they take over?

Probably nothing, but I suppose it depends on what "take over" means.

It doesnt really seem like they want to rule it, more just use it as a big US base.
Since they already have a base on the island, its hard to see what more they think they need.

We and the EU might need to put our militaries there to show that we are 'securing' the area. Obviously, that's not what it's actually about, nor would our troops deter the Americans from invasion,n but it would remove their pretext for taking it over.

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Originally Posted by Paul

Probably nothing, but I suppose it depends on what "take over" means.

It doesnt really seem like they want to rule it, more just use it as a big US base.
Since they already have a base on the island, its hard to see what more they think they need.

They want the country itself because it seems Trump is obsessed with his legacy, being that he secured more land for America.

I originally thought their obsession with Greenland was just him talking nonsense as he does, but they're continuing with it and making moves to justify it. They're sending the VP out there.