President Trump 2.0 - Page 93

Pierre · 26-03-2025, 14:00

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Originally Posted by ianch99

You are wasting your time. Objective reasoning & critical thinking have to be abandoned on admission to the cult.

Objectivity = swallowing what the Washington Post spouts forth is it?

1andrew1 · 26-03-2025, 14:33

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Originally Posted by ianch99

And yet you jest ....

Florida debates lifting some child labor laws to fill jobs vacated by undocumented immigrants

Jeez, you joke about the worst that could happen and find Trump's US is en route to deliver just that.

ianch99 · 26-03-2025, 15:46

Remember when Trump's DUI hire Secretary of Defence Hegseth said:

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Nobody was texting war plans

Well .. the Atlantic has revealed the war plan he texted

Here Are the Attack Plans That Trump’s Advisers Shared on Signal

Plus more discussion on making Europe pay ...

Pierre · 26-03-2025, 16:45

They're more interesting What's Apps than our politicians get caught out on!

**Chris** · 26-03-2025, 17:28

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Remember when Trump's DUI hire Secretary of Defence Hegseth said:

Well .. the Atlantic has revealed the war plan he texted

Here Are the Attack Plans That Trump’s Advisers Shared on Signal

Plus more discussion on making Europe pay ...

It reads like one of those comedy text message exchanges supposedly between hapless parents and their kids that used to get screenshotted and shared around.

Unbelievable that these total imbeciles have got so close to so much power.

1andrew1 · 26-03-2025, 18:47

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Originally Posted by Chris

It reads like one of those comedy text message exchanges supposedly between hapless parents and their kids that used to get screenshotted and shared around.

Unbelievable that these total imbeciles have got so close to so much power.

Unbelievable that no one is held to account for the mistake of including the journalist and the whole group for using an unsafe platform to discuss upcoming military activity! *

I did initially wonder that because it was so obviously slack practice, it might even be a dead cat to draw attention from something else (a la Dominic Cummings thinking) but it just looks like Tump's de facto incompetence now.

* Yeah but Hillary's emails.

**Chris** · 26-03-2025, 19:41

Trump’s Razor is sharp as ever.

Don’t ascribe to 4D chess what you can ascribe to crass stupidity.

1andrew1 · 26-03-2025, 23:38

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Originally Posted by Chris

Trump’s Razor is sharp as ever.

Don’t ascribe to 4D chess what you can ascribe to crass stupidity.

As a rule, favouring cock-up over conspiracy theory works. But this was so appalling that it had me wondering for at least five minutes!

What would happen with a similar scenario in the UK?

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If a British defence minister was found to have shared details about a live military operation in an unofficial messaging group with colleagues, they would be sacked.

That President Donald Trump has tried to dismiss the revelation that his top defence and security team not only did just that but accidentally included a journalist in the chat will be watched with deepening horror by US allies and growing glee by American enemies.

https://news.sky.com/story/fired-imm...ister-13335742

Update: Trump has now imposed a 25% tariff on imported cars.

Is this the real dead cat and Signalgate the topic they want people to stop talking about? Or as Chris suggests, probably not, and it's just more business-unfriendly chaos!

jfman · 27-03-2025, 06:07

Interesting that whoever said "they would be sacked" wouldn't put their name to it. I think they underestimate the British establishment's capability for arsecovering.

**Damien** · 27-03-2025, 09:09

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Originally Posted by jfman

Interesting that whoever said "they would be sacked" wouldn't put their name to it. I think they underestimate the British establishment's capability for arsecovering.

Sending confidential military operation plans to a signal group whose controls are so lax that you also end up sending them to a journalist - or anyone without clearance - will get you fired. That isn't something debatable within the UK.

Mr K · 27-03-2025, 09:11

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Unbelievable that no one is held to account for the mistake of including the journalist and the whole group for using an unsafe platform to discuss upcoming military activity! *

Not really unbelievable since the President has got away with many crimes. The standard has been set. If you're on his side, anything goes...
I think we can conclude the USA is a stupidest nation in the world. Bigly. (we're a close second)

papa smurf · 27-03-2025, 09:17

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Not really unbelievable since the President has got away with many crimes. The standard has been set. If you're on his side, anything goes...
I think we can conclude the USA is a stupidest nation in the world. Bigly. (we're a close second)

but if we deported you we'd be 92nd

jfman · 27-03-2025, 09:45

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Originally Posted by Damien

Sending confidential military operation plans to a signal group whose controls are so lax that you also end up sending them to a journalist - or anyone without clearance - will get you fired. That isn't something debatable within the UK.

As a Minister can only be “fired” by the PM surely that’s down to the principles or otherwise of the PM? There’s plenty of stuff that used to be a slam dunk - fiddling your expenses, lying to Parliament, lying by to the reigning Monarch, that are open questions in the UK in the 2020s.

My money would be on someone else taking the fall - whoever set up the group. As I understand it Signal is an approved app for the Department of Defense.

Then again being sacked in disgrace isn’t what it used to be either. An ermine cloak and being resurrected as the UK Ambassador to the USA couldn’t be ruled out.

Pierre · 27-03-2025, 09:47

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

As a rule, favouring cock-up over conspiracy theory works. But this was so appalling that it had me wondering for at least five minutes!

What would happen with a similar scenario in the UK?

it happens......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57624942

Happened under Biden too.

https://news.sky.com/story/ministry-...uracy-12855476

**Damien** · 27-03-2025, 12:26

The Greenland thing continues. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgwjllld1ro

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Denmark has welcomed changes to a Greenland trip by US Vice-President JD Vance and his wife Usha, which has been reduced to a visit of just a US space base.

Earlier this week, it was announced that Usha Vance would spend several days in Greenland, visiting the capital Nuuk and attending cultural events like a popular annual dogsled race.

Danish TV also said that US representatives went to several homes in Greenland to ask if the residents would welcome a visit from Usha Vance, but they declined. Along with a business that had previously accepted her visit revoking that invitation when it emerged she would be joined by Mike Waltz.

I am not sure how the US thinks this is going to work. Denmark is against the US taking Greenland, the residents are against the US taking their home. The only way it looks like happening is if they take it by force. The US can do that, but they're unlikely to go that far.

So that's the point in continuing to sabrerattle on it?

One of the more bizarre traits of the Trump administration is their willingness to upset their allies for no good reason other than to upset them. It's a Government of trolls. It's the same as Vance having a pop at the UK over our military. What good did that do them? It made the UK population turn more against America, and they gained nothing from it.

Yes, well done, you've dismissed the efforts and even lives given by the UK in partnership with you and thus upset everyone in the country. Why?