Here comes the tax rises

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Pierre

A well used worn out trope, wheeled out feverishly by Labour and their supporters that don’t really know what actually happened.

https://thecritic.co.uk/no-liz-truss...h-the-economy/

Also, a trope not challenged by the Tories at the time, as it suited them so that they could oust Truss and install Sunak, as the pesky membership didn’t vote the correct way.

So we're agreed 57 MPs resigned during 2 weeks of Boris' tenure? Great, glad to have you onboard at last. I personally know one of the MPs from that list. She's the only Tory I've ever heard of with some moral value.

Originally Posted by Pierre

They’re not being judged on that…..yet.

Really.......because someone on here is....

Originally Posted by papa smurf

It's quite an achievement to sully the office of Primeminister in 12 short weeks and have an MP resign the party whip.

You're not really trying very hard are you? It's almost as if....you're letting an agenda get in the way of facts

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well millions of pensioners won’t feel better off.

And had it not been for Marcus Rashford millions of kids would have gone hungry. Labour aren't doing well, but ANY party following the previous 14 years' shitshow of 'austerity' and corruption wouldn't do well

Originally Posted by Pierre

Absolutely correct, comparing Prime Ministers is completely pointless, but you keep doing it.

Quoting out of context now? Imprerssive. So you comparing parties is not "completely pointless" but comparing PM is? Any chance we can get a roadmap of your agenda, just to help us out a bit?

Originally Posted by Pierre

Boris isn’t here, calling back to him serves no purpose.

You're really still not trying very hard are you? Maybe put the agenda on one side and go look for actual facts?

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/bo...iphDC3C4lJjeHy

Originally Posted by Pierre

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck……………..it’s a duck.

...yet I don't give a f***.

Keep up with whatever fallacy or agenda is fueling you.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

So we're agreed 57 MPs resigned during 2 weeks of Boris' tenure? Great, glad to have you onboard at last. I personally know one of the MPs from that list. She's the only Tory I've ever heard of with some moral value.

Well the quote you selected was in my answer to your claim that Truss sank the economy, I didn't agree anything about the 57 MPs and never referred to them. So I've no idea who you are directing that remark to, but it's not me.

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Originally Posted by Russ

Maybe put the agenda on one side and go look for actual facts?

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/bo...iphDC3C4lJjeHy

Speculation is not "facts", try harder.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well the quote you selected was in my answer to your claim that Truss sank the economy, I didn't agree anything about the 57 MPs and never referred to them. So I've no idea who you are directing that remark to, but it's not me.

So now you’re disagreeing that 57 MPs resigned under Boris in 2 weeks.

Impressive.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Speculation is not "facts", try harder.

I went and researched it. Have you researched anything that states Boris won’t ever be planning a return to politics?

I guessing the answer is “no”.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

So you comparing parties is not "completely pointless" but comparing PM is? Any chance we can get a roadmap of your agenda, just to help us out a bit?

I'll let someone else answer that point.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Comparing a prime minister to previous prime ministers is an absolutely sensible thing to do.

What is is not so good is to resort to whataboutery to detract from analysis of a prime minister.

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Originally Posted by Russ

So now you’re disagreeing that 57 MPs resigned under Boris in 2 weeks.

Impressive.

I didn't agree, or disagree. I didn't comment on it.

Your trying to argue with me over something I haven't said on a point I haven't engaged with, A bit deranged really.

I went and researched it.

Well, you did a quick google and came up with a speculative article, of which there are very many, that has no basis in "fact".

But,....well researched.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I'll let someone else answer that point.

Some would call that a cop-out. I'll leave that to them.

There are those saying how after 3 months Starmer is apparently "the worst PM". It's not "whataboutery" to compare him to bullshitting Boris no matter how you want to dress it up.

Originally Posted by Pierre

I didn't agree, or disagree. I didn't comment on it.

I did exactly the same about Labour's performance so far and you decided I'm a Labour fan as a result. Different rules for you then? Sorry, you don't get away with that one.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Your trying to argue with me over something I haven't said on a point I haven't engaged with, A bit deranged really.

As above. You've decided I'm a Labour fan (which I'm not). Looks and sounds like a duck remember?

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well, you did a quick google and came up with a speculative article, of which there are very many, that has no basis in "fact".

No I went back to a discussion from a different forum when at the time there was more than just a bit of speculation that the Tories would try to bring Boris back to avoid such a crushing defeat. There were quite a few links cited from various sources, that was just one.

Originally Posted by Pierre

But,....well researched.

Your appreciation is neither needed, wanted or holds any relevance.

I'm starting to get really tired of all this schoolyard bickering. Pack it in or get removed from the topic.

[papa smurf]

Lord Alli under investigation

Lord Alli investigated by Lords commissioner, the free gear peer under investigation

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...cs-news-latest





It comes after a backlash over tens of thousands of pounds worth of gifts accepted by the prime minister from the peer, a major party donor.

According to an update published on Parliament’s website on Wednesday, Lord Alli is being investigated by the Lords’ commissioner for “alleged non-registration of interests leading to potential breaches of paragraphs 14(a) and 17 of the thirteenth edition of the code of conduct”.

These rules relate to making clear what the interests are that might be reasonably thought to influence a member’s parliamentary actions and ensuring entries are up to date.

Good - anyone who breaks the rules should face sanctions.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Lord Alli under investigation

Lord Alli investigated by Lords commissioner, the free gear peer under investigation

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...cs-news-latest

It comes after a backlash over tens of thousands of pounds worth of gifts accepted by the prime minister from the peer, a major party donor.

According to an update published on Parliament’s website on Wednesday, Lord Alli is being investigated by the Lords’ commissioner for “alleged non-registration of interests leading to potential breaches of paragraphs 14(a) and 17 of the thirteenth edition of the code of conduct”.

These rules relate to making clear what the interests are that might be reasonably thought to influence a member’s parliamentary actions and ensuring entries are up to date.

From the same link:

Sir Keir Starmer said it was “right” for him to repay the donations while new principles for accepting gifts were drawn up.

He told reporters in Brussels:

We came in as a government of change.

We are now going to bring forward principles for donations, because, until now, politicians have used their best individual judgment on a case-by-case basis. I think we need some principles of general application.

So, I took the position that until the principles are in place it was right for me to make those repayments.

So Rosie Duffield's message has got through. So is the PM a changed man or just a covert hypocrite now?

[1andrew1]

Good to see this too.

Sir Keir Starmer has paid back more than £6,000 worth of gifts and hospitality he received since entering Number 10 after a row over ministerial donations.

The Prime Minister is covering the cost of six Taylor Swift tickets, four to the races and a clothing rental agreement with a high-end designer favoured by his wife, Lady Victoria Starmer.

It comes after Sir Keir and other Cabinet members – who vowed to “clean up” British politics – faced weeks of criticism for accepting tens of thousands of pounds worth of freebies from wealthy donors.

Ahead of the publication of the new code, the Prime Minister has paid for several entries on his own register. This will appear in the next register of members' interests.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...3b7d9994&ei=10

Changing the rules going forward is better than paying it back after you've been caught.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Good to see this too.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...3b7d9994&ei=10

There should be evidence of him being caught with his trousers down. Perhaps Ms Rayner's £68kpa "image improvement" photographer could get a snap?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Kursk

From the same link:



So Rosie Duffield's message has got through. So is the PM a changed man or just a covert hypocrite now?

i'll take option 2

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Good to see this too.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...3b7d9994&ei=10

6 grand is that a token payement -untill he pays back the rest of it

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i'll take option 2

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6 grand is that a token payement -untill he pays back the rest of it

He has made a gesture if goodwill. He doesn't have to pay it back.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Stephen

He has made a gesture if goodwill. He doesn't have to pay it back.

Or is it guilt money ?this smells worse every day,obviously he's done nothing wrong and theres nothing to see here.