Here comes the tax rises

[heero_yuy]

Two Tier Keir is promising "Light at the end of the Tunnel" Probably the Labour tax loco about to run you down.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Two Tier Keir is promising "Light at the end of the Tunnel" Probably the Labour tax loco about to run you down.

Could be the gravy train looking for those sausages

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Two Tier Keir is promising "Light at the end of the Tunnel" Probably the Labour tax loco about to run you down.

What taxes do you think might increase apart from the stated VAT on school fees? I would think re-linking fuel duty to inflation, an uplift in alcohol duties and maybe the sugar tax that the previous government withdrew.
Otherwise, they'll follow the previous government's policy of keeping the tax bands frozen and letting inflation tip more people into higher bands.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

I think you need to diversify your media sources.... Plus the crossword is rubbish.

Not been the same since they got rid of Rupert the Bear.

[nffc]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Great speech by starmer


Keir Starmer demands 'return of the sausages'

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...nference-gaffe

Not one of his wurst sadly

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by nffc

Not one of his wurst sadly

definately a banger

[nffc]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

definately a banger

Smash on the side (like the gravy train)


Wonder if 2TK has special posh sausages from Waitrose like Cumberland ones and leaves those weird tinned hot dogs for the rest?

[Taf]

Family withdraw their child from private school as they don't want to pay the VAT when it is imposed by Labour.

Family applies for a place in a local state school.

Local state school has no space.

Council obliged to pay the private school place for the child.

And will have to pay the VAT when it is imposed.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Taf

Family withdraw their child from private school as they don't want to pay the VAT when it is imposed by Labour.

Family applies for a place in a local state school.

Local state school has no space.

Council obliged to pay the private school place for the child.

And will have to pay the VAT when it is imposed.

Link? Or is that just a possible scenario?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Taf

Family withdraw their child from private school as they don't want to pay the VAT when it is imposed by Labour.

Family applies for a place in a local state school.

Local state school has no space.

Council obliged to pay the private school place for the child.

And will have to pay the VAT when it is imposed.

Cobblers. If they can afford private school, 20% more means little. There are spaces but might not be in the school they want. Welcome to everyone else's world. Kids deserve an equal chance that shouldn't depend on their parent's wealth.

The answer is to improves state schools, so folks don't feel the need to go private. That will require funding, the 20% extra is justified.

See JRM, the multi millionaire, is whinging about Eton increasing fees by 20% for his darlings ( and claiming he's 'middle class').
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/jo...20pc-vat-fees/

There will be people for whom 20% put it beyond their reach. The question is that means it's a good use of a tax break.

I think Taf's story is true as it's quite specific, but the story there is that a family's state schools have no more capacity. Prisons, healthcare and schools. Every single aspect of the state is at breaking point.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Cobblers. If they can afford private school, 20% more means little.

More of your jealous drivel.

If you think 20% extra means nothing then I suggest you pay 20% extra on all your shopping, see if it really means "nothing" to you.

Very few (if any) of the Private Schools in Leeds have put 20% on from January - GSAL (the Grammar School At Leeds) are absorbing the cost this year (it’s a big school, with nearly 2,400 pupils), and Richmond House School (225 pupils), just down the road from us in Far Headingley, are putting them up by 8%.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Very few (if any) of the Private Schools in Leeds have put 20% on from January - GSAL (the Grammar School At Leeds) are absorbing the cost this year (it’s a big school, with nearly 2,400 pupils), and Richmond House School (225 pupils), just down the road from us in Far Headingley, are putting them up by 8%.

A school the size of GSAL is absorbing more than £8m if it’s not passing on VAT to 2,400 pupils. For me this goes to the heart of the problem with our private schools and their charitable status. To what extent are they actually a charity? There can’t be many charities that can just find a spare £8 million down the back of the sofa. How many more bursaries could a school that size be funding if it had been deploying those funds?

My missus was lucky enough to go to a private school and she has been getting bombarded this week with requests to donate to a funding drive prompted by the new VAT measures. In their case, it seems, they don’t have a spare £8 million in their back pocket, but on the other hand, when they come with the massive begging bowl, it’s with the aim of getting their super-wealthy old boys and girls to subsidise the already comfortably-off families of current pupils.* It all looks very like finance directors acting to defend a business model rather than charities working to fulfil a charitable purpose.

Nobody scrimps and saves to raise £15-20k per child, per year, to secure private schooling. Anyone who thinks they’re ’going without’ by spending their money on a private education for their kids needs to give their head a wobble because they haven’t the first idea what ‘going without’ actually means (Clue: it doesn’t mean only going on a ski holiday every other year).

(Edit) *We are neither super-wealthy enough to donate, nor comfortably-off enough to send our kids there

[1andrew1]

If you're allocating scarce funding around, it makes sense to spend it on the NHS rather than on tax breaks.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Link? Or is that just a possible scenario?

It was an analysis by a "fiscal expert" on TV news. Possibly BBC, as that is the one we have on most of the time. Councils around the UK had been asked if they could absorb extra pupils from private schools in their areas, and most said things like "our schools are at maximum capacity / brimful / unable to budget for any increase in numbers".

He also highlighted the severe problems on the same sort of problem with housing. Someone loses their home, the council is obliged to house them if they are unable to buy or rent themselves. To this end, councils are buying hotels, private flat complexes, and even whole student accommodation complexes to house the homeless. For example, here in Cardiff:

"The council is close to acquiring a student accommodation building of 103 apartments, a hotel providing more than 150 units, and a 20-bed house of multiple occupation."

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...TRtsCx0r_diTuw