Here comes the tax rises

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Has no idea but why should that stop you having a strong opinion on it

Whats the answer then ?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Whats the answer then ?

You managed to google the average rent across the country but not what the criteria is for claiming housing benefit then couldn't be bothered to click Hugh's link and now expect me to tell you the answer? Guess what, I can't be arsed to google it for you but I am certain if you meet the criteria which are, being over pensionable age, paying rent and are on a low income you qualify and I'll go further and say I bet it's easier for pensioners to claim, the savings threshold is higher and that it can be back dated for longer for them too

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

You managed to google the average rent across the country but not what the criteria is for claiming housing benefit then couldn't be bothered to click Hugh's link and now expect me to tell you the answer? Guess what, I can't be arsed to google it for you but I am certain if you meet the criteria which are, being over pensionable age, paying rent and are on a low income you qualify and I'll go further and say I bet it's easier for pensioners to claim, the savings threshold is higher and that it can be back dated for longer for them too

how sure of all that are you?

Originally Posted by papa smurf

how sure of all that are you?

Look it up or move on, you're just trolling again, its getting tiresome.

[Pierre]

Starmer 2021

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...r-curtains-row

Starmer 2024

https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-...ny-mp-13217287

Yes, definitely the moral high ground, and a step up from Sleazy Tories.

[Russ]

Maybe I've misunderstood things so far, and let's face it there's a pretty good chance, but isn't Starmer and Co more or less doing what Dodgy Dave and the Tories did in 2010? The main difference being you can virtually count each financial disaster the Tories caused (£40bn to their mates for crappy PPE that didn't work, and a Track and Trace system which was crap at best and Google and Apple offered to work together to create for free, also Liz Truss' attempts at beyond-bankrupting the country) etc etc which put us in this position, whereas Cameron and Osbourne tried to blame Labour for the world recession from 2/3 years previously?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

Maybe I've misunderstood things so far, and let's face it there's a pretty good chance, but isn't Starmer and Co more or less doing what Dodgy Dave and the Tories did in 2010? The main difference being you can virtually count each financial disaster the Tories caused (£40bn to their mates for crappy PPE that didn't work, and a Track and Trace system which was crap at best and Google and Apple offered to work together to create for free, also Liz Truss' attempts at beyond-bankrupting the country) etc etc which put us in this position, whereas Cameron and Osbourne tried to blame Labour for the world recession from 2/3 years previously?

Oh okay, so you’re happy with that then.

Just that I thought, that you considered the Tories the devil incarnate.

But if it’s Starmer & Co, it’s OK?

I thought the reason for voting for Starmer & Co was for voting for better….not the same.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Oh okay, so you’re happy with that then.

Just that I thought, that you considered the Tories the devil incarnate.

But if it’s Starmer & Co, it’s OK?

I thought the reason for voting for Starmer & Co was for voting for better….not the same.

You're going to have to keep going for at least 10 years with this. It's going to get quite wearing for you...

Can they sort the NHS out, can they give the young hope, housing and a future , can they make people content again and the country prosperous? On that they'll be judged.

Big task after the self destruction and running down of everything of the last 14 years. It'll take at least that time again, not a few weeks. Be patient, maybe get back into the workforce and help out? More productive than posting on here.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

You're going to have to keep going for at least 10 years with this.

Evidently not, it’s literally taken just a few weeks.

Can they sort the NHS out, can they give the young hope, housing and a future , can they make people content again and the country prosperous? On that they'll be judged.

Not only on that…….not by a long way.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Oh okay, so you’re happy with that then.

The other week I took the wrong pair of glasses to the gym (I need one pair for reading, the other for VDU use and this was the pair I meant to take as I enjoy watching Netflix on my iPad while I do cardio) and annoyingly they got damaged in my bag en route so I’m stuck with the pair I can’t properly read my iPad with.

So I’m sure you’ll forgive me for asking if you can point out, post-quote even if you prefer, where I said I was “happy” with it, or alternatively in any way pleased with it?

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

£221 pw i bet almost amounts to a weeks rent in many places in the uk

a quick google shows
In Great Britain, Wales has the lowest average rent at £748 per month. Typical rents in Scotland are £965 a month, and in England are £1,319 per month.28 Aug 2024

In my area you could pay well over £1200 a month for a 2 bedroom apartment. (that's what my niece and her girlfriend were paying.)

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

The other week I took the wrong pair of glasses to the gym (I need one pair for reading, the other for VDU use and this so the pair I meant to take as I enjoy watching Netflix on my iPad while I do cardio) and annoyingly they got damaged in my bag en route so I’m stuck with the pair I can’t properly read my iPad with.

So I’m sure you’ll forgive me for asking if you can point out, post-quote even if you prefer, where I said I was “happy” with it, or alternatively in any way pleased with it?

Ok “happy” may be a stretch. …….bit of a theatrical avenue to making a point, though.

But you cite an equivalence between Starmer now and Cameron then and you seem to be ok with that, because now it’s Starmer doing it and not the Tories.

If I’ve called it wrong please correct me and denounce Starmer at the same time.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Ok “happy” may be a stretch. …….bit of a theatrical avenue to making a point, though.

But you cite an equivalence between Starmer now and Cameron then and you seem to be ok with that, because now it’s Starmer doing it and not the Tories.

If I’ve called it wrong please correct me and denounce Starmer at the same time.

I’m sorry, you’re calling my shots now? Sorry son it doesn’t work that way.

The point I was making is there are plenty of anti-Labour (or just Tory) voters having a dig at Starmer and Co for what he’s done early on in his leadership yet conveniently staying quiet at the fact that Dodgy Dave did exactly the same, with pretty much the only difference being the reasons behind the vastly unpopular cuts Starmer is planning to make can be measured a hell of a lot more legitimately.

So yes, you’ve called it wrong. And speaking of wrong, I’m the “wrong” person you should be attempting to get performing like a trained monkey.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

The point I was making is there are plenty of anti-Labour (or just Tory) voters having a dig at Starmer and Co for what he’s done early on in his leadership yet conveniently staying quiet at the fact that Dodgy Dave did exactly the same

Oh the naivety,

That my boy is 100% the prerogative of the Tory voters at this time. Labour have campaigned against the corrupt Tories. You yourself have described Tories and Tory voters as “scum”.

You have championed Starmer as the alternative, as the greater good, as the better choice.

And he’s just as corrupt, and you can’t even argue he’s better, ……just equivalent to the apparent evil that has just been removed.

I’m not wrong, I’ve called it dead right. It’s a bit embarrassing after all this time………..for you and your ilk.

That the great hope, is just as bent, and after only 70 days the country hates them

https://order-order.com/2024/09/17/l...n-record-time/

Labour keeps making self-inflicted mistakes, like Johnson in that way with the wallpaper. There is no reason for Starmer to get clothes, glasses and football tickets donated. I understand with football that he can no longer go to the stands so I don't care as much about that, especially if he is invited into a box as Sunak was, but he needs to cut out the rest of it.

They also didn't need to spend as much political capital on the winter fuel allowance. Say you're delaying it a year and tie it to the tax bands so it doesn't go to anyone paying 40%.

I don't think it's at the level of the Tories yet. That will come if they start giving out government contracts as dodgy as the PPE ones.

It's still early and they've had very little Parliamentary time so the jury is still out on what they will do. I think they need to signal some hope in the next budget now though, it can't be all doom and gloom. They'll be judged on the NHS, housing, crime and the economy. The problem is you need money to do the first three and not investing in anything won't help the economy either.