Here comes the tax rises

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

isn’t some of this massive black hole due to the 22% pay rise for junior doctors ? Which btw is a ridiculous increase

They wanted (still want) 35%. I'd like a 35% rise, hell, I'd take 22% if I could.

[noel43]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Why, by your logic, should the younger generation pay for it? You said it..in regards to pensions………..

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You’re obviously not….check your privilege.

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You just hate pensioners don’t you? which is strange, because you will be one

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That homeless man, ex soldier that was screwed over, well…………he should have planned for his financial future better.

Replace ex soldier with single mother, chronically Ill, minimum wage, mentally Ill…the whole thing.

Is your Nick name “portaloo”? Complete the joke yourself.

No such thing as a single mother, there is a father around somwhere.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

do you have one ?



Did it? For who? You have some graphs and spreadsheets for this revelation?



Really???

So your parents generation were better off financially than yours? That is just historically incorrect.


So you were living at home, no one, ever that left home and lived in a private flat/ shared house has ever used the term “ board & lodge”

Because I had my first time job in 1990, which was £5,500 pa, and I paid £130 rent…..not “board and lodge” ……rent.

My landlord never “lodged” me…

Board and lodge, ff’ ing hysterical, Mum still wash your underpants for you.

Well done for capitalising off your parents.

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You don’t even know what you were correcting.

Good night grandpa.

No, as I hadn’t seen my mother for three years at that point , never mind nice try

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Originally Posted by Paul

They wanted (still want) 35%. I'd like a 35% rise, hell, I'd take 22% if I could.

If I remember from searching last night I think the average junior dr. Salary was £34k and in London it was £37k

Staggered it was such a low amount

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Partially agree , isn’t some of this massive black hole due to the 22% pay rise for junior doctors ? Which btw is a ridiculous increase

A pay agreement was going to happen eventually it's just that there is no budget allocated for that when it did.

It's also not in practice a sudden jump of 22%. That's from when negotiations started. So it's some backdated pay, £1000 bonus, and a 5% real-terms increase in the take-home pay from now on. It's structured in a way that's quite hard to understand.

But their pay has also been suppressed for years which is what they're arguing about. What they want is 'full pay restoration' relative to 2008. I.E They want to be paid the same had they had pay increases relative to inflation since then.

The BMA sent them this graph to show where their salaries now are:



This 22% doesn't put them on silly money relative to where their salaries have historically been. It's still lower than many countries.

You can't realistically keep eroding doctors' pay making them work for less and less in real terms and expect people to keep becoming Doctors or going abroad when they do.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Damien

A pay agreement was going to happen eventually it's just that there is no budget allocated for that when it did.

It's also not in practice a sudden jump of 22%. That's from when negotiations started. So it's some backdated pay, £1000 bonus, and a 5% real-terms increase in the take-home pay from now on. It's structured in a way that's quite hard to understand.

But their pay has also been suppressed for years which is what they're arguing about. What they want is 'full pay restoration' relative to 2008. I.E They want to be paid the same had they had pay increases relative to inflation since then.

The BMA sent them this graph to show where their salaries now are:



This 22% doesn't put them on silly money relative to where their salaries have historically been. It's still lower than many countries.

You can't realistically keep eroding doctors' pay making them work for less and less in real terms and expect people to keep becoming Doctors or going abroad when they do.

A budget would've already included what was on offer, so the whole 22% hasn't come from nowhere. Just as all of the 5.5% to the public sector hasn't come from nowhere.
Link

The salary for Junior Doctors isn't the end of their income.

And that is just the basic pay. Junior doctors, like other NHS staff, receive extras on top and these can be worth 25% to 30% more for things such as unsocial hours and additional work. The junior doctor contract stipulates that they can be asked to work up to 48 hours a week rather than the standard 40.

[Itshim]

So labour take monies from Welsh pensioners to pay English doctors .
No wonder labour's vote fell in Wales

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Itshim

So labour take monies from Welsh pensioners to pay English doctors .
No wonder labour's vote fell in Wales

Don't the welsh Doctors get a pay rise ?

[Taf]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Don't the welsh Doctors get a pay rise ?

The British Medical Assocation (BMA) in Wales said consultants, junior doctors and specialist doctors accepted the offer for those working in secondary care.

The body representing the NHS workers said 96% of junior doctors voted to accept an additional 7.4%, a total uplift of 12.4% for the 23/24 financial year.

A total of 82% of specialist, associate specialist and specialty doctors (known as SAS members) voted to accept the 6.1% to 9.2% rise.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Itshim

So labour take monies from Welsh pensioners to pay English doctors .
No wonder labour's vote fell in Wales

Most increases in public spending, automatically lead to extra money for Scotland and Wales.

[tweetiepooh]

Just a couple of thoughts:
Pensions - it is disheartening to see your pension worth less than the previous year despite adding money to it. The good old final salary pension is very rare, some colleagues who have been in the company since they were apprentices may still have them and 40 odd years can mean a nice pension but most of us are on defined contribution so we don't know what we are going to get at retirement. A state pension we have paid in for could be a vital part of our retirements.
Pensions would be in a better shape had not those running them raided the pots, and that goes for private and public pensions.


Tax - why not bring back tax on gambling, at least on more substantial amounts.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Tax - why not bring back tax on gambling, at least on more substantial amounts.

Bring back, it never went away, the only thing that changed was the operator pays the tax rather than the punter, putting all the really dodgy bookies out of business

[Pierre]

https://news.sky.com/story/gps-vote-...years-13188629

And this what happens…..they see the government capitulating to the junior doctors and think, “we’ll have slice of that”.

Expect public sector action all over the shop, as they see a Labour government ready to hand out sweeties for all that want them………except pensioners.

Originally Posted by Itshim

So labour take monies from Welsh pensioners to pay English doctors .

Much like they take money from English pensioners to pay Welsh doctors ..

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

https://news.sky.com/story/gps-vote-...years-13188629

And this what happens…..they see the government capitulating to the junior doctors and think, “we’ll have slice of that”.

Expect public sector action all over the shop, as they see a Labour government ready to hand out sweeties for all that want them………except pensioners.

If public sector workers hadn’t faced real terms cuts in their wages for 14 years their case would have been weaker.

Hmmmm.

That all seems very contradictory;

Doctors have said the action could last for "months" and could bring the NHS to a "standstill very quickly" for NHS administration staff and politicians but not for patients.

Many of the actions will lead to GPs spending more time with their patients

and yet ....

Limiting daily patients to 25 - about a third fewer than normal.

Switching off NHS software that allows discounted or free prescriptions for some people.

This seems like a positive (beneficial) action ?

Referring patients directly to specialist care rather than following more complex NHS processes