20mph is just the start.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Around me in London, 20 mph is an aspiration given the traffic. When I visited the Brecons earlier in the year, the speedo rarely dipped below 30 mph. I think this 20 mph in Wales malarky is a bit misunderstood.

It’s extremely misunderstood and at times, deliberately I think so.

Roads in built-up areas have dropped from 30 to 20. That’s it.

It’s not the new speed limit for roads in Wales, just in built up areas.

But when you have people who deliberately go 5mph under the limit just to teach other people a lesson and also hope to cause some road rage, THAT is when you get problems.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Taf

The only thing that is in actual "demand" is for the 20mph limit to be scrapped. 465,760 signatures on an official Arsembly petition so far.

I may be wrong but isn't that more votes than Labour received for its current tenure?

Originally Posted by Russ

.....you’re trying to bait me.....

Not at all Russ (invariably, I would be the one penalised ).
Wait whoa, where did I say "you admit could cause injury, harm and possible death" Stoppit Russ


Try this: you seem insulated from the effects of 20mph - drive around your beautiful City and find out how others feel. You will soon have an irate queue unless they overtake you. I thought Power to the People would be something you'd support.

Originally Posted by Russ

But when you have people who deliberately go 5mph under the limit just to teach other people a lesson and also hope to cause some road rage, THAT is when you get problems.

Deliberate compliance with the law is a problem?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Not at all Russ (invariably, I would be the one penalised ).
Wait whoa, where did I say "you admit could cause injury, harm and possible death" Stoppit Russ

Post 173:

You have to remember that 20mph is the limit not the target so I often drive below 20. It's a useful way of reminding people daily of this Labour policy (which will screw up the economy, cause illness through stress and incite road rage).

Originally Posted by Kursk

Try this: you seem insulated from the effects of 20mph - drive around your beautiful City and find out how others feel. You will soon have an irate queue unless they overtake you. I thought Power to the People would be something you'd support.

Who said I live in a city?

Originally Posted by Kursk

Deliberate compliance with the law is a problem?

Deliberately driving slower just to teach others a lesson is a problem. It’s also classed as dangerous driving and you’re failing to keep up the flow of traffic.

I know this to be true as my elderly mother got pulled over by the police a few years back for doing just under 20 on a 30 road (she never likes going over 30). The cop gave her ‘advice’ about her driving, warned she was committing an offence with the speed of her driving but would use his discretion on that occasion based on her agreeing to not drive in that manner again.

She’s barely been out on the road since but that’s a different story. But no, you go teach people a lesson, cause a possible injury/death from road rage and feel smug about yourself for doing your bit to improve road safety. Well done you.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Russ

Post 173:

The Labour Policy will screw the economy, cause stress and incite road rage, but you read it the way that best suits your purpose Russ.

Who said I live in a city?

So 20mph is not something you experience daily? It would be more altruistic of you to empathise with those who do.

Deliberately driving slower just to teach others a lesson is a problem. It’s also classed as dangerous driving and you’re failing to keep up the flow of traffic.

I know this to be true as my elderly mother got pulled over by the police a few years back for doing just under 20 on a 30 road (she never likes going over 30). The cop gave her ‘advice’ about her driving, warned she was committing an offence with the speed of her driving but would use his discretion on that occasion based on her agreeing to not drive in that manner again.

She’s barely been out on the road since but that’s a different story. But no, you go teach people a lesson, cause a possible injury/death from road rage and feel smug about yourself for doing your bit to improve road safety. Well done you.

Well, you can tell mum she's ok to drive now; everyone else has to drive at her preferred speed, including me.

[Russ]

I’ve said several times I don’t live near many roads with the 20mph limit. Maybe keep up?

Oh I read it as

“ so I often drive below 20. It's a useful way of reminding people…”

That you often drive below 20 as a ‘useful’ way of reminding people of the policy, which will cause road rage etc.

So if you didn’t deliberately drive below 20 maybe there would be a reduction in this road rage that you seem to desire?

Originally Posted by Kursk

I may be wrong but isn't that more votes than Labour received for its current tenure?

There is no validation re Welsh Residency on the petition - as long as you have a valid email address, you can put in any valid Welsh Postcode and the vote gets added, even if you don’t live in Wales…

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Russ

I’ve said several times I don’t live near many roads with the 20mph limit. Maybe keep up?

Oh I read it as

“ so I often drive below 20. It's a useful way of reminding people…”

That you often drive below 20 as a ‘useful’ way of reminding people of the policy, which will cause road rage etc.

So if you didn’t deliberately drive below 20 maybe there would be a reduction in this road rage that you seem to desire?

And I've said of course I deliberately drive below 20, it's the law Russ. Bored now :yawn:

Originally Posted by Hugh

There is no validation re Welsh Residency on the petition - as long as you have a valid email address, you can put in any valid Welsh Postcode and the vote gets added, even if you don’t live in Wales…

Yep, I imagine all those people directly unaffected are livid. I bet it's 'foreigners' who've started all those other petitions on the WG website too.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Kursk

And I've said of course I deliberately drive below 20, it's the law Russ. Bored now :yawn:

It’s “the Law” to not exceed the limit. There is no requirement to drive below it and indeed it can land you with a fixed penalty notice and possibly a dangerous driving charge.

But yeah, you do you.

Plus keeping thinking up more useful ways of causing road rage

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Russ

It’s “the Law” to not exceed the limit. There is no requirement to drive below it

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Russ

It’s “the Law” to not exceed the limit. There is no requirement to drive below it and indeed it can land you with a fixed penalty notice and possibly a dangerous driving charge.

Very difficult to stay constantly at the speed limit! It's a limit, not a target

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Very difficult to stay constantly at the speed limit! It's a limit, not a target

That’s why police and speed cameras usually give you a margin of error.

Plus cruise control of course.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

There is no validation re Welsh Residency on the petition - as long as you have a valid email address, you can put in any valid Welsh Postcode and the vote gets added, even if you don’t live in Wales…

So only people who live in Wales drive on Welsh roads?

Click around the maps.

https://petitions.senedd.wales/petit...unt=signatures

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Russ

But when you have people who deliberately go 5mph under the limit just to teach other people a lesson and also hope to cause some road rage, THAT is when you get problems.

I suspect comments like this are tongue in cheek! If you're frustrated by 20 mph, you'll be even more frustrated by 15 mph!

However, if they're serious, then it does come across as somewhat entitled. Unhappy with the duly-elected representatives of the nation they're visiting or living in making safety laws they don't like, they try and reap collective punish on the local population.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Russ

It’s “the Law” to not exceed the limit. There is no requirement to drive below it and indeed it can land you with a fixed penalty notice and possibly a dangerous driving charge.

But yeah, you do you.

Plus keeping thinking up more useful ways of causing road rage

Well said, totally agree with you there.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Taf

So only people who live in Wales drive on Welsh roads?

Click around the maps.

https://petitions.senedd.wales/petit...unt=signatures

Thanks for that Taf. Evidently people all around the UK are unhappy with Welsh Labours’ 20mph policy. Hopefully, they’ve cooked their goose .