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So the "blanket" 20 mph speed limit that Welsh Labour says is not a "blanket" limit is now in force in Wales.

My home city was one of the "trial" areas so most of us have got used to it. 3rd gear almost everywhere, dropping mpg substantially and causing higher emissions.

But, it'll save "6 to 10 lives" in vehicle vs pedestrian collisions.

Mind you, the same report, commissioned by the Welsh Arsembly, also says that "in terms of air pollution, deaths attributed to nitrogen dioxide (NO2) may increase by 63, and years of life lost by 753 ".

It's all guesstimation of course.

https://www.gov.wales/sites/default/...gust-2018.pdf?

Meanwhile, a Welsh Arsembly document has come to light (page 45) that shows how they are going to ruin Wales even further in pursuit of their dogma.

"Further work will be undertaken to develop a fair and equitable road user charging framework, including how local authorities can borrow against these future revenue streams to fund transport improvements; and also consider other alternatives such as workplace car parking levies and road space reallocation."

https://www.gov.wales/sites/default/...2022to2027.pdf

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round where I live (in England) they've suddenly put up loads of 20mph signs, terraced houses, narrow roads, often have to stop to let a car come down before you can go up, and there's a couple of schools, so it's sensible, as ppl often put their foot down to get to the end of the roads first....

....but it's also 20 now on the main roads near by where 30 was fine, wide enough roads, which have islands every now and again and crossings so you can safely cross :( 2 lead down down to a dual carriage way!

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Workplace parking levies aren't new. They've had one in Nottingham since 2012

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I've never understood why they just ignore this.

They complain about polution, and at the same time force cars to be in an area 50% longer, chucking out more emissions (at least 50% more, probably even higher as engines are likely doing more RPM in a lower gear).

Of course, the reality is that 90%+ of people will simply not do 20 mph anyway, they have had these in Nottingham for years now, and pretty much everyone ignores them.

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That failed miserably, congestion got worse, not better.
The pandemic did a good job of reducing it for ages, but my last drive into the city showed that effect has worn off.

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My city car has never been out of 3rd since I have had it. Also live in trail area. Fed up with electric bikes overtaking me !

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Total logjam on the nearby main arterial road. Drivers headed south from the M4 are being dropped from 70 to 50, 50 to 40, 40 to 30, then encountering a sudden new drop to 20mph past a Uni complex. Right outside is a pedestrian footbridge and 2 pedestrian-controlled crossings.

A speed camera van is parked up on the grass verge!!

Any emergency vehicles that try to make it through will be cursing the Arsembly.

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220,000 have not signed a petition demanding the 20mph limit be scrapped.

Drakeford's response was one word, "NO!"

"The Senedd uses petitions as a way of giving people a voice and it can show the depth of feeling about an issue.

As well as a debate, the Senedd's Petitions Committee can hold an inquiry if it chooses.

But although petitions can put the minister under pressure they do not have to do much about them, legally.

The petition is due to run until March and could just carry on until then.

But the committee might now have a chat with the petitioner to see what they want to do, and whether they would like to close it so the Senedd can hold another debate sooner - although there have already been two recently.

They closed the first petition, promising a debate, but it was a total whitewash. I say let it run, so it can rise into the millions!

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Why, when 220,000 have NOT signed it?

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On line only , pain to get into,

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If drivers had any common sense they wouldn't need such limits.

All streets are different. In a residential area cars parked either side, kids playing, even 20 mph is risky.

Unfortunately a lot don't have common sense (particularly if they are Audi/BMW morons...). They really should make common sense part of the driving test.

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Perhaps start by instilling common sense in Kids? That is if the parents have any of course.

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Yeah the kids should stick to bedroom gaming. What's wrong with the young these days, wanting to play outside.?

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There is nothing wrong with playing outside, just not on a road .. :dozey: but you knew that already. :rolleyes:

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And if you see kids playing you drop your speed anyway. Same as other situations where conditions dictate driving below the limit.

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3 evenings coming back from the hospital the arterial past our home has been log-jammed from about 4:30 to past 8pm. Mostly due to the new 20mph past the Uni.

Another petition on the Arsembly website is ticking over nicely. I wonder how long before it disappears.

https://petitions.senedd.wales/petit...E60WUyKTT7kzNA