20mph is just the start.

Originally Posted by Russ

As much as I can’t stand the 20mph limit I’d happily see it stay if it keeps the Tories out of Wales.

Scotland’s experience suggests if you have a crap Labour administration for too long, in a place where people would rather gouge their eyes out than vote Tory, sooner or later they’ll give the nationalists a go.

I suspect Plaid would royally screw over Wales even worse than the SNP have done for Scotland.

[Kursk]

Another tough day down the mines Russ?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Another tough day down the mines Russ?

No, too busy playing rugby and eating leeks “boyo”.

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Originally Posted by Chris

Scotland’s experience suggests if you have a crap Labour administration for too long, in a place where people would rather gouge their eyes out than vote Tory, sooner or later they’ll give the nationalists a go.

I suspect Plaid would royally screw over Wales even worse than the SNP have done for Scotland.

Quite possibly but the past 13 years of Tory rule have made me hate (and that’s a strong word to use here) the Conservatives more than ever.

We don’t want or need them making the important decisions for Wales.

At best I’d be happy with some sort of coalition that included Plaid or Greens with Labour.

#AnyoneButTory

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Russ

No, too busy playing rugby and eating leeks “boyo”.

I like your mindset bach. Sigh.

[TheDaddy]

Had a long drive through the city yesterday and noticed it was 20mph all the way from Tottenham to St John's Wood to Canary Warf all but, I'm sure it was never 20 all the way before, Wales great idea has already spread

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Russ

As much as I can’t stand the 20mph limit I’d happily see it stay if it keeps the Tories out of Wales.

That says it all. Blind dislike at best, hatred at worst.

[Russ]

No no, make no mistake, it is complete hatred. I hate the Tory party and everything they stand for.

Citation: the last 13 years of austerity, corruption and lies.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

That says it all. Blind dislike at best, hatred at worst.

The last 13 years tells its own story for many voters.

Nothing is working anymore apart from the weekly Tory psycho-drama that has been played out nearly every week for years and years now while not giving a shit about the things that are most important to many voters in the country..

No not hatred but a real sense that the electorate have had enough of the regular Tory shitshows.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by denphone

The last 13 years tells its own story for many voters.

Nothing is working anymore apart from the weekly Tory psycho-drama that has been played out nearly every week for years and years now while not giving a shit about the things that are most important to many voters in the country..

No not hatred but a real sense that the electorate have had enough of the regular Tory shit shows.

What you say, Den, is correct to an extent. It's been a recent shit-show that Sunak can't really rescue.

It's just that Russ is so blind in his hatred of the Tory Party that it noticeably bleeds into other important issues. One should stay rational and not suffer a bad transport policy just because you hate the Tories.

As much as I can’t stand the 20mph limit I’d happily see it stay if it keeps the Tories out of Wales.

[Russ]

There are plenty of decisions Welsh Labour have made that I oppose and dislike. Yet I’d still take them over the Tories based purely on the Tory ability to screw over the little guy and line the pockets of their rich mates.

It’s a case of who I think would do the least damage in my native country. Given the Tory **** party’s glowing record of ruining lives for the little guy all over the UK I’m perfectly content at doing whatever I can to keep them out of the Senedd. Labour are far from perfect (as I said I’d prefer a coalition with a smaller party to keep them under control), but FGS keep the Tory **** out of Wales.

And by the way I’m not referring to Tory voters as ****. Just the party (and mainly the Cabinet).

Originally Posted by Kursk

And of course, speed limits don't apply to cyclists.

Not entirely true.
Some parks have speed limits, and local bylaws can exist to limit cycle speeds.
Also, where speeding itself is not illegal, could get you fined for careless or reckless cycling.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Russ

There are plenty of decisions Welsh Labour have made that I oppose and dislike. Yet I’d still take them over the Tories based purely on the Tory ability to screw over the little guy and line the pockets of their rich mates.

It’s a case of who I think would do the least damage in my native country. Given the Tory **** party’s glowing record of ruining lives for the little guy all over the UK I’m perfectly content at doing whatever I can to keep them out of the Senedd. Labour are far from perfect (as I said I’d prefer a coalition with a smaller party to keep them under control), but FGS keep the Tory **** out of Wales.

And by the way I’m not referring to Tory voters as ****. Just the party (and mainly the Cabinet).

You've just called me '****'.

A pity. The 20mph policy is ludicrous except where it has been specifically validated as needed.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You've just called me '****'.

I had no idea you’re a Tory MP. Well you learn something new every day. I guess it explains the font colour then

In all serious, no I didn’t and you know it.

You’re now REALLY scraping the barrel

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Russ

Labour are far from perfect (as I said I’d prefer a coalition with a smaller party to keep them under control)

Welsh Labour does not have a majority in the Arsembly. The rubbish being passed into law is due to Pallid Cymru, Labour in all but name, maintaining a "loose coalition" with them.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You've just called me '****'.

Pretty sure he clearly stated otherwise ;

And by the way I’m not referring to Tory voters as ****. Just the party (and mainly the Cabinet).