20mph is just the start.

Originally Posted by Taf

Teachers and parents who were confused that whilst promoting walking and cycling, there was little or no input about road safety. They thought they were going to get a modern version of The Tufty Club or Green Cross Code.

Which it isn’t…

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Think I'd rather be hit at 20mph than 30mph. Strange, I know.

Fair enough. But if we reduce the speed limit to 10mph, there would be even fewer fatalities. Ban them altogether and you will have none.

The whole blanket 20mph idea is a nonsense. It is appropriate only in specified circumstances, for example for short stretches near schools an opening and closing times and in areas where there are a lot of pedestrians milling about.

Have these people not heard of a happy medium? Clearly, not.

[Taf]

Within the reams of reports from the Arsembly is a wish to have signs that flash when pupils are arriving or leaving schools. As most of the schools already had 20mph limits set by TROs, that seems to be a "backwards step". So obviously they have no idea how to do joined-up thinking.

There are also many schools that have restricted access on roads during arrival and leaving times. Cameras are there and they dish out fines regularly.

Sounds like they are trying to get the attention of those who aren’t taking any notice of the limits (those getting fined).

Prevention is better for everyone involved (the school kids at increased risk from the speeding drivers, and the drivers in not getting fined/points).

[Taf]

I've just had to drive up to the local hospital. And it had started raining. I drove off the 20mph estate, onto the rare bit of 30mph arterial, and was being passed by vehicles driving at 40mph+. Then onto the 20mph roundabout, and they were appearing around the tree-obscured bend at 30mph+. Not fun. Those that always drove too fast are still driving too fast even in heavy rain.

[spiderplant]

Average speeds on the affected roads are 2.9mph lower since the change:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...rking-27779212

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Taf

I've just had to drive up to the local hospital. And it had started raining. I drove off the 20mph estate, onto the rare bit of 30mph arterial, and was being passed by vehicles driving at 40mph+. Then onto the 20mph roundabout, and they were appearing around the tree-obscured bend at 30mph+. Not fun. Those that always drove too fast are still driving too fast even in heavy rain.

Exactly why speed limits are needed. A lot of drivers are f*wits. Best case they'll get caught at some point, worst case an accident causes them to think again. Things have got worse l. I blame lockdown , where anything went.

After dark when the police have gone home speed limits are totally disregarded where I am. 20 mph wouldn't be needed if there weren't so many behind the wheel, who see nobody outside their metal bubble. It's an increasingly selfish society and this is just one of the symptoms.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

It's an increasingly selfish society, and this is just one of the symptoms.

I've just been back to the hospital. It's still chucking it down, and the idiots are still ignoring the speed limits. It's 15mph in the hospital grounds, but due to the dark and rain, I slowed to below 10mph. And I had a van behind me leaning on his horn!!! When I turned off to get to the pickup point, he zoomed ahead at 40mph+!!!

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Average speeds on the affected roads are 2.9mph lower since the change:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...rking-27779212

Yes, because motorists are stuck behind vehicles doing 20mph. Lower speed limits = increased congestion, more frustration, and increased emissions.

Seems to make sense to the greenies and anti-car morons.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Exactly why speed limits are needed. A lot of drivers are f*wits. Best case they'll get caught at some point, worst case an accident causes them to think again. Things have got worse l. I blame lockdown , where anything went.

After dark when the police have gone home speed limits are totally disregarded where I am. 20 mph wouldn't be needed if there weren't so many behind the wheel, who see nobody outside their metal bubble. It's an increasingly selfish society and this is just one of the symptoms.

So how do you think the 20mph limits will slow down the speeders when 30mph doesn’t?

A bit of muddled thinking there!

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Originally Posted by Taf

I've just been back to the hospital. It's still chucking it down, and the idiots are still ignoring the speed limits. It's 15mph in the hospital grounds, but due to the dark and rain, I slowed to below 10mph. And I had a van behind me leaning on his horn!!! When I turned off to get to the pickup point, he zoomed ahead at 40mph+!!!

Of course they are! Adjusting speed limit signs downwards will not change that behaviour - in fact it will increase the number of motorists viewing the signs as being irrelevant.

Speaking of muddled thinking…

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, because motorists are stuck behind vehicles doing 20mph. Lower speed limits = increased congestion, more frustration, and increased emissions.

Seems to make sense to the greenies and anti-car morons.

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So how do you think the 20mph limits will slow down the speeders when 30mph doesn’t?

A bit of muddled thinking there!

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Of course they are! Adjusting speed limit signs downwards will not change that behaviour - in fact it will increase the number of motorists viewing the signs as being irrelevant.

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Lower speed limits = increased congestion

Care to explain how that works?

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Care to explain how that works?

Had in my area for a number of months, used to see spaces in road big enough to walk across. Now it's one long trail of vehicles, the main road in the village looks like a car park. Really quicker to walk it's length, noted car at the start still only half way be the time I am at the other end.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Care to explain how that works?

Because as cars slow down they get closer together. Look what a reduction in the speed limit for road works does to traffic that was previously well spaced between vehicles. You get the same effect when vehicles reduce from 30 to 20.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Speaking of muddled thinking…

As I said it makes sense to the greenies…..

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Because as cars slow down they get closer together

Bingo! That's exactly why it reduces congestion.

It's the same reason they impose 40, 50 or 60mph limits on congested motorways. You can pack more cars into the same space if they go slower.

Originally Posted by spiderplant

You can pack more cars into the same space if they go slower.

Isnt that the definition of congestion ?