Russell Brand accused of sexual assault by four women - Page 3

Pierre · 19-09-2023, 11:11

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

His live shows aren't proceeding, Channel 4 has removed his old content from its on-demand service and YouTube has demonetised him.

His main outlet is Rumble & Locals.

ianch99 · 19-09-2023, 12:03

It is interesting to compare this to the Huw Edwards story

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Originally Posted by Damien

This is a risk for Brand. Women don't go to the police because it's their word against his and their worried, but if a slew of allegations come in after they see they're not alone then the police might build a case.

Someone pointed out how low the percentage of rape claims are actually untrue. Found this to illustrate this point:

https://fullfact.org/crime/allegations-rape/

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Evidence from England and Wales suggests that 3-4% is a reasonable estimate for the number based on malicious complaints.

So, on the balance of probability, you can reasonably assume he is in trouble

**Damien** · 19-09-2023, 13:45

That's different to having a good enough case for the CPS to go for a conviction though.

**Chris** · 19-09-2023, 13:53

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Originally Posted by Damien

That's different to having a good enough case for the CPS to go for a conviction though.

It is, but libel is judged on the balance of probabilities, which is why Dispatches and the Times have run the story. They are confident that they can defend it in a defamation trial. Brand is not going to sue them because he’d lose.

1andrew1 · 19-09-2023, 14:05

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Originally Posted by Pierre

His main outlet is Rumble & Locals.

BBC just removed his shows off iPlayer.

Rumble and Locals may get his dedicated fans along but YouTube, Channel 4 OD and iPlayer have far wider exposure.

**Paul** · 19-09-2023, 15:17

Ah, so another one cancelled by "trial by the media".
[ Without, as best I can tell, any concrete proof or actual convictions ].

**Chris** · 19-09-2023, 21:38

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Originally Posted by Paul

Ah, so another one cancelled by "trial by the media".
[ Without, as best I can tell, any concrete proof or actual convictions ].

Since when did a newspaper investigation have to wait for someone to be convicted? Dispatches and the Times have done what investigative journalists have been doing for as long as the profession has existed. They have researched and published evidence of wrongdoing. The only legal bar they have to clear is to satisfy themselves they could defend a defamation claim if one were to be brought - to do that in these circumstances they would have to show that it is more likely than not that Brand has done the things claimed. They would have no trouble doing that given the number of women independently giving the same details. They have demonstrated a pattern of behaviour.

It is for others to decide what action, if any, to take on the basis of what they have reported. Having read the Times article and watched the Dispatches report, I think platforms that are temporarily removing his content are acting wisely. There’s more than enough evidence out there now to take precautions, especially given recent criminal convictions of other powerful media men who got away with it for years and whose media profile continued to shield them.

1andrew1 · 19-09-2023, 23:55

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Originally Posted by Paul

Ah, so another one cancelled by "trial by the media".
[ Without, as best I can tell, any concrete proof or actual convictions ].

What proof would work for you?

**Paul** · 19-09-2023, 23:57

Precautions ?
How is removing a show from iPlayer helping ?
Is it somehow going to leap out and assult people ?
Is everyone now so dumb they cant actually decide not to watch something if it bothers them.

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What proof would work for you?

An actual conviction.

**Mick** · 20-09-2023, 23:11

Really pleased Rumble has stuck two fingers up at our UK Parliaments, Media Culture & Sports Committee chair request to demonetise Brands channel, he’s not been convicted, he’s not even under any criminal investigation. I am no fan of Lefty Brand but this trial by media, guilt by accusation, it’s got to stop!

Dude111 · 20-09-2023, 23:28

Yea they do whats easiest for them and its sick Mick!!

Im glad he stood up against them!!!

richard-john56 · 25-09-2023, 14:44

I thought the BBC sacked him along with Jonathan Ross a few years back.

**Damien** · 25-09-2023, 18:48

More allegations received by police: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66918331

Pierre · 25-09-2023, 22:06

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Originally Posted by Damien

More allegations received by police: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66918331

It will be interesting in so far as in the Saville case, all the allegations were after he died and therefore could not be contested. ( I am not inferring in anyway that Saville did not assault many people)

But Brand is alive and well, therefore I would expect all these allegations to at some point turn into charges…………

**Damien** · 25-09-2023, 22:24

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Originally Posted by Pierre

It will be interesting in so far as in the Saville case, all the allegations were after he died and therefore could not be contested. ( I am not inferring in anyway that Saville did not assault many people)

But Brand is alive and well, therefore I would expect all these allegations to at some point turn into charges…………

Maybe, but they'll have to be pretty certain of a conviction for the CPS to decide to prosecute. Certainly, it's more likely as more people come forward.