The Greatest Lie Ever Sold: George Floyd and the Rise of BLM - Page 6

Jaymoss · 17-10-2022, 20:47

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Originally Posted by Pierre

As seen as your argument is totally based in hypotheticals.

What would your position be if he wasn’t a criminal, and died in police custody in exactly the same way?

What would your position be if he had a mental impairment/learning difficulties, and the police ( due to his size) restrained him and he died in exactly the same way.

What would be your view of the polices’ actions?

I do not think anyone has condoned the Police actions in this thread. Some have just put across the maybe George Floyd was not a totally innocent victim

Mythica · 17-10-2022, 20:48

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Originally Posted by Pierre

So anyone, absolutely anyone that finds themselves in the temporary care of the police, for whatever reason are dispensable and can be killed with impunity.

Got it!

If you've made that up to what I've said, then that's your problem. Just to be clear, I've not once said that.

mrmistoffelees · 17-10-2022, 20:49

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Well it does though doesn't it. If he hadn't of choose a criminal lifestyle, he'd most likely still be alive. That's a very major talking point in the argument. He died in the hands of Police care, because of his previous actions that put him where he was in life.

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And nobody, in a civilised society should be a criminal.

The police have a legal duty of care and responsibility to those who they detain and are in their custody the fact you don’t think those rights extend to those with previous convictions is neither here nor there

Pierre · 17-10-2022, 20:51

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss

I do not think anyone has condoned the Police actions in this thread. Some have just put across the maybe George Floyd was not a totally innocent victim

But that is irrelevant, because many, many people that are totally innocent may find themselves in the temporary care of the police and the police must treat everyone in their care the same.

He may have been whatever he was, but as I say earlier if it was a case of mistaken identity and he was completely innocent, why would that in any way be a material difference in what happened?

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If you've made that up to what I've said, then that's your problem. Just to be clear, I've not once said that.

Seems pretty close to me!

Mythica · 17-10-2022, 20:53

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

The police have a legal duty of care and responsibility to those who they detain and are in their custody the fact you don’t think those rights extend to those with previous convictions is neither here nor there

Did I say that?

Or did I say he got to where he is now due to his own lifestyle choices.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

But that is irrelevant, because many, many people that are totally innocent may find themselves in the temporary care of the police and the police must treat everyone in their care the same.

He may have been whatever he was, but as I say earlier if it was a case of mistaken identity and he was completely innocent, why would that in any way be a material difference in what happened?

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Seems pretty close to me!

Seems pretty close and that is what you said are two completely different things, so I would kindly ask you withdraw your comment.

Pierre · 17-10-2022, 20:54

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Originally Posted by Mythica

Did I say that?

Or did I say he got to where he is now due to his own lifestyle choices.

If he’d overdosed I may agree with that statement, but he was killed by a 3rd party with duty not to kill him.

So that doesn’t fly, at all.

mrmistoffelees · 17-10-2022, 20:55

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Originally Posted by Mythica

Did I say that?

Or did I say he got to where he is now due to his own lifestyle choices.

Yes, you did say exactly that.

Had the hennepin police exercised their legal responsibilities he would still be alive and that’s all there is to it.

Pierre · 17-10-2022, 20:55

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Originally Posted by Mythica

Did I say that?

Or did I say he got to where he is now due to his own lifestyle choices.

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Seems pretty close and that is what you said are two completely different things, so I would kindly ask you withdraw your comment.

No

Jaymoss · 17-10-2022, 21:01

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Originally Posted by Pierre

But that is irrelevant, because many, many people that are totally innocent may find themselves in the temporary care of the police and the police must treat everyone in their care the same.

He may have been whatever he was, but as I say earlier if it was a case of mistaken identity and he was completely innocent, why would that in any way be a material difference in what happened?

Seems pretty close to me!

But is was not a case of mistaken identity was it? Also from what I can find out it is unknown if the cops knew his rap sheet so there is a chance they knew he could be a risk. It is all conjecture. No he should not have died but also no he should not have been a criminal

Mythica · 17-10-2022, 21:09

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Originally Posted by Pierre

If he’d overdosed I may agree with that statement, but he was killed by a 3rd party with duty not to kill him.

So that doesn’t fly, at all.

It does fly, he put himself in that position due to his lifestyle choices.

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No

So you like putting words into people's mouth and when told it was incorrect, you don't care and carry on regardless.

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Yes, you did say exactly that.

Had the hennepin police exercised their legal responsibilities he would still be alive and that’s all there is to it.

No I never, at all.

Had George Floyd not been a criminal, he would still be alive.

mrmistoffelees · 17-10-2022, 21:13

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Originally Posted by Mythica

It does fly, he put himself in that position due to his lifestyle choices.

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So you like putting words into people's mouth and when told it was incorrect, you don't care and carry on regardless.

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No I never, at all.

Had George Floyd not been a criminal, he would still be alive.

Yes, yes you did. he would be alive because regardless of if he was a criminal or not he is entitled to be provided with the legally required care whilst being detained. Funnily enough this does not include being murdered

Your focus is wrong

Mythica · 17-10-2022, 21:24

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Yes, yes you did. he would be alive because regardless of if he was a criminal or not he is entitled to be provided with the legally required care whilst being detained. Funnily enough this does not include being murdered

Your focus is wrong

No I never, please stop putting words into my mouth that I have not said.

If he wasn't a criminal, he wouldn't of needed the care of the Police that day, his lifestyle choice put him in that position in the first instance.

My focus is what I want my focus to be. He was a criminal and put himself in the position he was in. Had he not been a criminal in the first instance, we wouldn't be here talking about it.

jfman · 17-10-2022, 21:28

And as we say in Scotland if your auntie had baws she’d be your uncle.

Pierre · 17-10-2022, 21:29

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Originally Posted by Mythica

It does fly, he put himself in that position due to his lifestyle choices.

I understand you point of personal responsibility, but it is irrelevant in this case, as he was detained and in the care of some one else.

If someone had a bad lifestyle and bad choices, a drug addict, wife beater, serial criminal and he ended up in hospital due to complications with his drug use.

He would have been fine, just needed 48hrs in hospital and he would have walked out, he may have got clean and gone on to be a good citizen but the doctor made an error he should been able to avoid as a professional and as someone that is trusted to care for.

He administered a lethal dose of anaesthetic and killed him.

Should that doctor be prosecuted?

GrimUpNorth · 17-10-2022, 21:29

So what type of criminal record do you guys think justifies not coming home again? Just wondering what crimes put you in the don't deserve to live category?