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jfman · 17-10-2022, 19:40

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Originally Posted by Mythica

Which came first, the murderer or the criminal?

If only the criminal justice system had the death penalty for a counterfeit twenty.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

In the U.K. but this is US law where

Second-degree murder is generally either:
An unplanned, intentional killing (reacting in the heat of the moment when angry)
A death caused by a reckless disregard for human life

He was murdered , Derek Chauvin was convicted of 2nd degree murder and also 3rd degree murder and something else which I can’t remember immediately

Indeed, if this was the UK and he was convinced using different legal terminology I’d use that. However as things stand he’s a convicted murderer.

Mythica · 17-10-2022, 20:00

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Originally Posted by jfman

If only the criminal justice system had the death penalty for a counterfeit twenty.

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Indeed, if this was the UK and he was convinced using different legal terminology I’d use that. However as things stand he’s a convicted murderer.

That is changing the subject. He got to where he is now due to being a criminal.

jfman · 17-10-2022, 20:02

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Originally Posted by Mythica

That is changing the subject. He got to where he is now due to being a criminal.

He got to where he is now because he was murdered by a police officer.

Pierre · 17-10-2022, 20:06

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Originally Posted by Mythica

Oh you mean those causing criminal damage, assaulting people or been verbally abusive? I've been out many times and not once have I been spoken to or sat on by the Police. Point still stands.

No it doesn’t because your “point” is based entirely on hypothetics and not facts.

Should’ve, would’ve, could’ve are totally meaningless in regards to what happened in this case.

The fact, and the only fact that matters, is that he died whilst being 100% in the care of the police.

It may have been quite possible that the police did nothing wrong to cause his death whilst he was in their custody.

That question has been answered in a court.

It really is that simple.

Jaymoss · 17-10-2022, 20:07

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Originally Posted by jfman

He got to where he is now because he was murdered by a police officer.

hmmmm unforeseen circumstances. Do we know if he knew the $20 was fake or did he not? because this very much is the chicken and the egg. If he knew it was fake then the start of the events began with is choice to try and pass it off. If he did not know it was fake then the events began with the clerks choice to call the cops

jfman · 17-10-2022, 20:11

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss

hmmmm unforeseen circumstances. Do we know if he knew the $20 was fake or did he not? because this very much is the chicken and the egg. If he knew it was fake then the start of the events began with is choice to try and pass it off. If he did not know it was fake then the events began with the clerks choice to call the cops

And nobody in either circumstance, in a civilised society, should be murdered by the police.

Jaymoss · 17-10-2022, 20:31

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And nobody in either circumstance, in a civilised society, should be murdered by the police.

In a civilised society no one should be dealing cocaine or holding a woman at gunpoint let alone passing of forged currency

Pierre · 17-10-2022, 20:36

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss

In a civilised society no one should be dealing cocaine or holding a woman at gunpoint let alone passing of forged currency

No one would dispute that, but it’s totally irrelevant.

Mythica · 17-10-2022, 20:37

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Originally Posted by jfman

He got to where he is now because he was murdered by a police officer.

Because he was a criminal. You can't beat around the bush. Excessive force, yes/no, that's not my argument. He is where he is because he was a criminal and choose a criminal lifestyle.

Jaymoss · 17-10-2022, 20:38

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No one would dispute that, but it’s totally irrelevant.

The relevance is if he did not do those things he would not have served time and may well not have had the $20 to pass on.

A series of choices that lead to the end event on both sides

Mythica · 17-10-2022, 20:42

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No it doesn’t because your “point” is based entirely on hypothetics and not facts.

Should’ve, would’ve, could’ve are totally meaningless in regards to what happened in this case.

The fact, and the only fact that matters, is that he died whilst being 100% in the care of the police.

It may have been quite possible that the police did nothing wrong to cause his death whilst he was in their custody.

That question has been answered in a court.

It really is that simple.

Well it does though doesn't it. If he hadn't of choose a criminal lifestyle, he'd most likely still be alive. That's a very major talking point in the argument. He died in the hands of Police care, because of his previous actions that put him where he was in life.

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Originally Posted by jfman

And nobody in either circumstance, in a civilised society, should be murdered by the police.

And nobody, in a civilised society should be a criminal.

Pierre · 17-10-2022, 20:43

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Originally Posted by Mythica

Because he was a criminal. You can't beat around the bush. Excessive force, yes/no, that's not my argument. He is where he is because he was a criminal and choose a criminal lifestyle.

As seen as your argument is totally based in hypotheticals.

What would your position be if he wasn’t a criminal, and died in police custody in exactly the same way?

What would your position be if he had a mental impairment/learning difficulties, and the police ( due to his size) restrained him and he died in exactly the same way.

What would be your view of the polices’ actions?

jfman · 17-10-2022, 20:45

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Originally Posted by Mythica

And nobody, in a civilised society should be a criminal.

Indeed, that’s why we have judicial systems that prosecute crimes and administer penalties as appropriate.

Pierre · 17-10-2022, 20:46

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He died in the hands of Police care, because of his previous actions that put him where he was in life.

So anyone, absolutely anyone that finds themselves in the temporary care of the police, for whatever reason are dispensable and can be killed with impunity.

Got it!

Mythica · 17-10-2022, 20:47

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As seen as your argument is totally based in hypotheticals.

What would your position be if he wasn’t a criminal, and died in police custody in exactly the same way?

What would your position be if he had a mental impairment/learning difficulties, and the police ( due to his size) restrained him and he died in exactly the same way.

What would be your view of the polices’ actions?

Ermmm, what hypotheticals have I used?