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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

A bit of your bias coming out here, jfman.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Good idea. While they are at it, they could also get Acorn and provide it free. VM must have a lot of money sloshing about now that they don’t have to fork out for Fox, the lost Disney channels, etc. Spending it on some of the cheaper streamers sounds good to me!

Oh, the irony….

[Legendkiller2k]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-59476662

I remember the big raid in Italy 2 years ago took out a lot of the IPTV services, as it stands it is not illegal to watch the dodgey iptv in the uk at the moment this is expected to change though, however providing the service is a different matter entirely and can carry upto 10 years in prison.

As i've said before if anyone is using one of these dodgey iptv services have a good secure no logs vpn and make sure the vpn provider is not in any of the 5 eyes regions.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k

I remember the big raid in Italy 2 years ago took out a lot of the IPTV services, as it stands it is not illegal to watch the dodgey iptv in the uk at the moment this is expected to change though, however providing the service is a different matter entirely and can carry upto 10 years in prison.

As i've said before if anyone is using one of these dodgey iptv services have a good secure no logs vpn and make sure the vpn provider is not in any of the 5 eyes regions.

Most use it for the sport and most IPTV services are blocked on match day so a vpn is needed to get round that anyway.


In the US a lot of the providers charge almost as much as Sky charges in the UK for the full package it is crazy

[Legendkiller2k]

May be account specific so woth checking if you have NOW, Sky sports offer £14.99p/m for 3 months nice price for over the festive season.

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Most use it for the sport and most IPTV services are blocked on match day so a vpn is needed to get round that anyway.


In the US a lot of the providers charge almost as much as Sky charges in the UK for the full package it is crazy

I have a friend on Comcast in USA (it's how i get my NBC Sports they let me use their Xfinity in exchange for my Nowtv) and she pays over $300 a month for her cable tv and broadband crazy prices and maybe a warning to SKY customers as Comcast own SKY now.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k

May be account specific so woth checking if you have NOW, Sky sports offer £14.99p/m for 3 months nice price for over the festive season.

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I have a friend on Comcast in USA (it's how i get my NBC Sports they let me use their Xfinity in exchange for my Nowtv) and she pays over $300 a month for her cable tv and broadband crazy prices and maybe a warning to SKY customers as Comcast own SKY now.

I think they would lose a lot of customers to VM in cabled areas if they tried that.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k

I have a friend on Comcast in USA (it's how i get my NBC Sports they let me use their Xfinity in exchange for my Nowtv) and she pays over $300 a month for her cable tv and broadband crazy prices and maybe a warning to SKY customers as Comcast own SKY now.

The US is generally a less competitive broadband market and Comcast enjoys a tasty 44% profit margin on its broadband business.

Here are the costs from 20 December 2021. Prices shown are for Center City and South Philadelphia.

TV
Broadcast TV fee $19.15
Regional sports fee $12.70
HD TV box and remote $8.50
Expanded Basic cable $45.27

Internet
Performance (Up to 100Mbs) $83.95 (£63.04)
Performance Pro (Up to 200 Mbs) $98.95 (£74.31)
Blast (Up to 400 Mbs) $103.95 (£78.06)
Gigabit $113.95 (£85.57)
Source: https://www.inquirer.com/business/co...-20211201.html

[Raider999]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The US is generally a less competitive broadband market and Comcast enjoys a tasty 44% profit margin on its broadband business.

Here are the costs from 20 December 2021. Prices shown are for Center City and South Philadelphia.

TV
Broadcast TV fee $19.15
Regional sports fee $12.70
HD TV box and remote $8.50
Expanded Basic cable $45.27

Internet
Performance (Up to 100Mbs) $83.95 (£63.04)
Performance Pro (Up to 200 Mbs) $98.95 (£74.31)
Blast (Up to 400 Mbs) $103.95 (£78.06)
Gigabit $113.95 (£85.57)
Source: https://www.inquirer.com/business/co...-20211201.html

Even allowing for the fact $1 usually translates to £1 for these sort of things, the costs for TV seems low compared to UK - especially the sports option.

However the broadband costs seem to be a lot higher.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Raider999

Even allowing for the fact $1 usually translates to £1 for these sort of things, the costs for TV seems low compared to UK - especially the sports option.

However the broadband costs seem to be a lot higher.

Never took sports and paid an all in cost of around $150

[Legendkiller2k]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I think they would lose a lot of customers to VM in cabled areas if they tried that.

Oh Liberty Global are far from innocent they would no doubt follow suite.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The US is generally a less competitive broadband market and Comcast enjoys a tasty 44% profit margin on its broadband business.

Here are the costs from 20 December 2021. Prices shown are for Center City and South Philadelphia.

TV
Broadcast TV fee $19.15
Regional sports fee $12.70
HD TV box and remote $8.50
Expanded Basic cable $45.27

Internet
Performance (Up to 100Mbs) $83.95 (£63.04)
Performance Pro (Up to 200 Mbs) $98.95 (£74.31)
Blast (Up to 400 Mbs) $103.95 (£78.06)
Gigabit $113.95 (£85.57)
Source: https://www.inquirer.com/business/co...-20211201.html

Router rental fee around $20p/m add on add ons too like HBO, Showtime, Starz, NFL etc the costs soon mount up.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k

Router rental fee around $20p/m add on add ons too like HBO, Showtime, Starz, NFL etc the costs soon mount up.

I guess we have LLU unbundling and geography to thank for our more competitive broadband market.

[spankysmagicpian]

Maybe OT but I can't find a thread for this - quick question.

I watched the Man City match last night on Amazon and it had the 'cinema feel' to the picture although of course, in HD. Flipped over to the Liverpool / Everton match after the coverage had finished and it was a 'normal' HD picture as in what you would expect from say Sky Sports.

I thought it maybe due to my older TV and frame rates but now baffled.

[BenMcr]

Was that through your Smart TV apps or via the Virgin TV box. If Virgin do you have V6/TiVo or 360?

[spankysmagicpian]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Was that through your Smart TV apps or via the Virgin TV box. If Virgin do you have V6/TiVo or 360?

Tried it through the V6 and FireTV Cube, both the same. It was just strange. Maybe Amazon are at fault...even though it's not a fault. I'll check tonight.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

A bit of your bias coming out here, jfman.

It’s not really bias, OB. It stands to reason.

Virgin, Sky and others rely upon having a large number of subscribers and using that purchasing power, plus their reach of advertisers, to drive down the price of third party content to pennies per subscriber per month.

Fledgling streamers on the other hand believe that retailing directly to customers they can gain more revenue. The theory being that say, 250 000 subscribers per month at £8 a month would get more revenue than the scenario above. £24m per year. That, leaving advertising aside, would be about 17 pence per subscriber taking a basic Sky/Virgin package.

All these figures are scalable but the idea that huge amounts are being saved or streaming services will (as a matter of course) be integrated into aggregated packages is fanciful.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s not really bias, OB. It stands to reason.

Virgin, Sky and others rely upon having a large number of subscribers and using that purchasing power, plus their reach of advertisers, to drive down the price of third party content to pennies per subscriber per month.

Fledgling streamers on the other hand believe that retailing directly to customers they can gain more revenue. The theory being that say, 250 000 subscribers per month at £8 a month would get more revenue than the scenario above. £24m per year. That, leaving advertising aside, would be about 17 pence per subscriber taking a basic Sky/Virgin package.

All these figures are scalable but the idea that huge amounts are being saved or streaming services will (as a matter of course) be integrated into aggregated packages is fanciful.

Agreed. It's fanciful to kid ourselves that we save money by purchasing a wide range of streaming services as we don't have the same buying power as VMO2.