Will Scotland Leave the UK? - Page 264

1andrew1 · 31-03-2021, 21:43

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Originally Posted by nomadking

If Scotland left and had a customs union with the UK, would they be allowed to join the EU? Just look at the current NI-GB trade situation.

They couldn't. Hence, the need for Scotland and E&W to both be in or both be outside the Single Market.
You can change some things but geography is one if the trickier things to change.

Sephiroth · 31-03-2021, 22:10

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

They couldn't. Hence, the need for Scotland and E&W to both be in or both be outside the Single Market.
You can change some things but geography is one if the trickier things to change.

... as long as you give up thinking the UK (or whatever it becomes) will rejoin the EU.

1andrew1 · 31-03-2021, 22:52

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

... as long as you give up thinking the UK (or whatever it becomes) will rejoin the EU.

It was a once-in-a-lifetime vote, so per the SNP's definition of that, we're due another vote in 2024.

I do think the UK or its successors will rejoin the EU but not that soon. And the EU is not exactly making a strong case for membership at the moment! But an independent Scotland would find it tricky to join the Single Market if E&W didn't join at the same time.

Pierre · 01-04-2021, 07:59

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I do think the UK or its successors will rejoin the EU but not that soon.

Any campaign to rejoin the EU would have to be fought under the premise that we would better off being governed by the EU, and not under the pretence of trade.

I never see that argument winning, ever.

papa smurf · 01-04-2021, 08:16

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Any campaign to rejoin the EU would have to be fought under the premise that we would better off being governed by the EU, and not under the pretence of trade.

I never see that argument winning, ever.

We could use their vaccine roll out as a template

1andrew1 · 01-04-2021, 08:29

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Any campaign to rejoin the EU would have to be fought under the premise that we would better off being governed by the EU, and not under the pretence of trade.

I never see that argument winning, ever.

I disagree on that assumption but I'll leave it there as we have a dedicated thread on that topic and my reference to rejoining the EU was in the context of the Anglo-Scottish border.

Carth · 01-04-2021, 10:55

Radical solution #1

Can we invade Scotland and take it over? It would give the armed forces something to do and would be a great 'live' test of some new armaments

Sephiroth · 01-04-2021, 11:11

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Originally Posted by Carth

Radical solution #1

Can we invade Scotland and take it over? It would give the armed forces something to do and would be a great 'live' test of some new armaments

The army wouldn't have to travel far!

**Hugh** · 01-04-2021, 12:00

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Originally Posted by Carth

Radical solution #1

Can we invade Scotland and take it over? It would give the armed forces something to do and would be a great 'live' test of some new armaments

Considering a reasonable proportion of the Armed Forces are from North of the Border, that could be problematic...

jfman · 01-04-2021, 12:35

Sturgeon making the point that gaming the system would raise questions over the legitimacy of a majority of MSPs/majority of voters voting for parties in favour of a second referendum.

**Chris** · 01-04-2021, 12:49

I think she's right. If she gets a majority after May - any sort of majority at all - then the argument about the legitimacy of her demands for a referendum will begin. The last thing she needs at that point is any excuse for her opponents to start looking at the actual level of voter support for the various parties at the ballot box rather than the composition of the Holyrood chamber. If the majority in the chamber is grossly out of proportion to the level of nationalist support at the ballot box, that will only serve to delegitimise her demands.

If the SNP can get a small, outright majority on 44% of the vote - as they did in 2011 - she will be happier than that than having a large nationalist majority in the chamber, but with no party having a clear majority of votes.

TheDaddy · 01-04-2021, 13:00

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Considering a reasonable proportion of the Armed Forces are from North of the Border, that could be problematic...

Considering we couldn't fulfill the Grand Old Duke of York's requirements for marching men up and down hills I'd say invading anywhere is problematic

papa smurf · 01-04-2021, 16:50

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Originally Posted by Carth

Radical solution #1

Can we invade Scotland and take it over? It would give the armed forces something to do and would be a great 'live' test of some new armaments

Just drop a 1£ coin on the floor then take em out while they're fighting over it

**Hugh** · 01-04-2021, 17:08

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

They hate us how do you think that vote would've gone?

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Just drop a 1£ coin on the floor then take em out while they're fighting over it

The Scots don't hate the English - just the RichardHead ones who make very poor stereotypical, for lack of a better word, jokes...

papa smurf · 01-04-2021, 17:15

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Originally Posted by Hugh

The Scots don't hate the English - just the RichardHead ones who make very poor stereotypical, for lack of a better word, jokes...

I was referring to the EU hating us.

i would have said drop a £2 coin but didn't want to start a Scottish civil war.