Will Scotland Leave the UK? - Page 263

1andrew1 · 29-03-2021, 21:45

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The people (including the public) keen to hold an EU vote were acting in their belief of what would be best for the UK. The same belief applies to the Scottish referendum.

Agreed.

papa smurf · 29-03-2021, 21:50

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Reluctantly, you have to admit you have a point.

The failure here is really with Labour and Tory to have a plan for Scotland.

That said, Scottish independence is something that affects the U.K. as a whole, not just Scotland and therefore you can’t reasonably expect to put the rest of the U.K. through this every 4-5 years.

That's why the whole of the UK should get to vote on it.

**Mick** · 29-03-2021, 22:00

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Couldn't agree more.

Brexit was a game changer. The same people who were so keen on having that vote, seek to deny others having a 'leave' choice.

You cannot deny a vote that has already happened, took place and leave lost.

1andrew1 · 29-03-2021, 22:17

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

That's why the whole of the UK should get to vote on it.

Where does that end? Sounds like the EU countries should have had a vote in the 2016 Brexit referendum too on that logic.

**Mick** · 29-03-2021, 22:19

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Exactly, since when is the will of the people a once in a lifetime thing, keep returning a party with independence as it's key policy then keep expecting to answer the same question and that question should be left for those that live there alone imo

It’s a once in a lifetime thing because the SNP said so. Also weren’t the SNP still the biggest party in Scotland prior to the 2014 referendum and Scotland still decided to Remain?

Just because the separatists are the largest party does not equate the Country wants independence, the 2014 referendum showed this.

papa smurf · 29-03-2021, 23:07

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Where does that end? Sounds like the EU countries should have had a vote in the 2016 Brexit referendum too on that logic.

The hate us how do you think that vote would've gone?

1andrew1 · 29-03-2021, 23:11

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

The hate us how do you think that vote would've gone?

Punished us by keeping us in the Union.

TheDaddy · 30-03-2021, 03:34

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Originally Posted by Mick

It’s a once in a lifetime thing because the SNP said so. Also weren’t the SNP still the biggest party in Scotland prior to the 2014 referendum and Scotland still decided to Remain?

Just because the separatists are the largest party does not equate the Country wants independence, the 2014 referendum showed this.

And they're politicians, they lie, they manipulate, they move goalposts, if you want their word on anything you'd better get it in writing and preferably legally binding or else it's meaningless and worthless, shame really, I long for a time when loyalty and honour were more than words and morality couldn't be bought but we are where we are and society as a whole gets the politicians it deserves

Itshim · 31-03-2021, 18:39

Question and no l have no idea what the answer is. Would England & Wales ( which are classed as one country ) What a ever people might think. Be better off with out Scotland and for that matter ni . Just wondering what a border would look like . !

1andrew1 · 31-03-2021, 19:08

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Originally Posted by Itshim

Question and no l have no idea what the answer is. Would England & Wales ( which are classed as one country ) What a ever people might think. Be better off with out Scotland and for that matter ni . Just wondering what a border would look like . !

If NI and Scotland left then it would be the Kingdom of England & Wales. The border with Scotland would presumably be minimal at first if Scotland was in a single market with E&W. By the time Scotland got round to joining the EU, I suspect E&W would be thinking along the same lines too.

**Hugh** · 31-03-2021, 20:30

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Sephiroth · 31-03-2021, 20:41

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If NI and Scotland left then it would be the Kingdom of England & Wales. The border with Scotland would presumably be minimal at first if Scotland was in a single market with E&W. By the time Scotland got round to joining the EU, I suspect E&W would be thinking along the same lines too.

Anticipating that Scotland will be trying to play hardball (over the Withdrawal Agreement) with the UK government during negotiations, I can't see the UK government being so charitable as to allow Scotland to be in a single market.

I expect our government to tell them, in advance, you make your bed and lie in it.

papa smurf · 31-03-2021, 20:43

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Sephiroth · 31-03-2021, 20:45

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If NI and Scotland left then it would be the Kingdom of England & Wales. The border with Scotland would presumably be minimal at first if Scotland was in a single market with E&W. By the time Scotland got round to joining the EU, I suspect E&W would be thinking along the same lines too.

Er no. See the EC for details, Mr. Remainer.

nomadking · 31-03-2021, 21:33

If Scotland left and had a customs union with the UK, would they be allowed to join the EU? Just look at the current NI-GB trade situation.