Coronavirus

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The only thing that Scotland has in excess compared with England is tiers of restrictions.

Maybe the Scots need to think about that....

Or England does

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews...e-restaurants/

NEW “tier four” restrictions which would close restaurants and non-essential shops could reportedly be introduced if the current rules do not tackle the second wave of coronavirus.

The government is reportedly drawing up fresh plans to add an extra tier of Covid-19 restrictions in England if cases continue to rise.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Damien

At least they start from 0. Proper counting system.

Really? Zero implies no restrictions but that is not the case.

[jfman]

Can't help but think English people are setting out to be offended by Scotland. Align as much as possible by keeping Tier 1-3 an it's complicating matters. Someone suggested a colour coded system - this would have been simply dismissed as being different for the sake of it.

As someone in an area more likely to land in Tier 4 than Tier 0 in a hurry I'm not too worried about the numbering system. I suspect by the time we are at Tier 0 there will be a new system anyway!

[1andrew1]

BoJo has been taking a different tone on Track and Trace recently so I wonder if this criticism has been authorised by No. 10?

A top Tory MP and leading Boris Johnson ally is calling for Dido Harding, the beleaguered boss of NHS Test and Trace, to be axed.

Sir Bernard Jenkin, who chairs the powerful Liaison Committee of senior MPs, says Conservative peer Baroness Harding "should be given a well-earned break", adding that "the immediate priority is to fill the vacuum of leadership in Test and Trace".

His call comes just days after the prime minister and his chief scientific adviser publicly admitted for the first time that the system is not working effectively.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...-role-12113820

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

BoJo has been taking a different tone on Track and Trace recently so I wonder if this criticism has been authorised by No. 10?

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...-role-12113820

She should take some of the scientists on holiday with here,the gov isn't led by science just led by the nose.

[heero_yuy]

Quote from Tony Parsons: (Sun opinion)

BORIS and his boffins should wheel out a new daily graph that reveals the true cost of their obsession with lockdowns.

Where is the graph that tells us how many cancer sufferers have been unable to access treatment?

Where is the chart that show us how many children have had life-changing surgery postponed?

Where is the diagram that reveals how many of the desperately ill have missed chemotherapy sessions because this Government and its experts have only one thing on their minds?

Let’s have the big picture, please — not just the number of coronavirus cases and deaths, because that is only one part of our nation’s suffering.

Let’s also count how many beloved mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, husbands and wives have been lost because this Government and its scientific brains see only coronavirus.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Be interesting to see the solutions that such a chart has to resolve the issues stated given there is no alternative where the NHS doesn’t becomes the Coronavirus Health Service.

[nomadking]

Didn't realise that everything has only affected England.
Year-long waits have still to reach 2008 levels.
Regular seasonal flu has an impact, as does strikes by unions.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Thanks for mansplaining that and proving i'm right,enjoy trolling the internet for an irrelevant response, now i have more important things to do.it's beer 0clock.

I trawl, you troll...

[downquark1]

This is the great reset.

On the subject of the NHS, I finally got my eye appointment, 9 months late, but hey ....

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Paul

On the subject of the NHS, I finally got my eye appointment, 9 months late, but hey ....

Mine has been delayed by just a couple of hours.

May have to cancel because the area is at risk of going into the Level 2 Tier. Don't see how indoor gatherings could be avoided. Not sure how quickly potential Glaucoma can take full effect.

Great, and now we have to suffer T3, despite being almost 10 miles from Nottingham.

(due to the stupid way local authority boundries were drawn up).
They should be based on affected locations, not ridiculous political boundries.

You have places physically attached to Nottingham that are still in T2.
(Becasue technically they fall under Derbyshire or Ashfield) and yet we suffer, when we are miles away, totally separate from the city.

I can walk across the Derbyshire border from my house in < 10 minutes (its a 0.5 mile walk).

[nomadking]

Derbyshire's figures aren't looking that great either. They are possibly having to move more of the county into tier 2.
They have to use easily definable areas, and that is by council not individual houses.

[1andrew1]

Final nail in the coffin for those believing in herd immunity.

Covid-19 herd immunity theory dealt blow by UK research

Testing of more than 350,000 people shows that antibodies fade within a few months

The proportion of people in Britain with antibodies that protect against Covid-19 declined over the summer, according to research that adds to evidence that natural immunity can wane in a matter of months.

The number of people with antibodies fell by a quarter, from 6 per cent of the population in June to 4.4 per cent in September, according to a study of hundreds of thousands of people, one of the largest of its kind to date.

The results, from researchers at Imperial College London, are the latest sign that immunity to Covid-19 may be shortlived and cast further doubt on the idea that any population could develop herd immunity naturally.

The study suggests that the immune system’s response to the virus is similar to its reaction to influenza and other coronaviruses such as the common cold, which can be contracted annually.

“This is a really big challenge to the idea that herd immunity can be achieved through natural immunity,” said Helen Ward, professor of public health at Imperial, and study co-author.

https://www.ft.com/content/f75418a9-...2-758635e906b1