UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Referendum

Originally Posted by Kushan

Please link me to a post where I've said any of what you've claimed.

Besides, as others have pointed out, there's a huge difference. Obama was clear and up front about what he wanted. He wasn't funnelling dirty money through back channels or propping up people to do his dirty work.

The issue, as I keep repeating, isn't about if, it's about why. You keep ignoring that point.


Good question, if only we'd investigated then we'd know.



Zero evidence because we didn't investigate it. Again, I'm imploring you to ask why we didn't investigate it.

Always with the why.

Because it’s pointless, even if Russia interfered, like they did in Scottish Referendum, no doubt they were trying to influence a Independent Scotland, they clearly failed in that aspect. But the only reason you want it investigating is to claim, like some already are, that it was a fraudulent result when it clearly was not.

[Carth]

Hang on a minute.

If we (the Gov't) didn't investigate it, who did?

Was an investigation done by anybody apart from twitter and farcebook users, and those whose claim to fame is to expertly link 2 and 2 to achieve the infamous total of 5?

Originally Posted by Carth

I'm with Nomadking on this, I haven't seen or heard a single instance that shows any actual proof of anything by anyone.

Lots of whispering, gesticulating, nudge nudge, what if type of crap circulating on the social media platforms, farcebook and twitter banning lots of 'fake' accounts etc, but nothing that shows me a direct line to a Russian telling me how to vote.

I do recall lots of bumf from political parties telling me how I should vote, maybe they're all Russian backed?

Again, that’s not how it works...

They used Social Media to target specific groups of people, displaying posts/ads that either provoke a reaction against something, or to strengthen their support for something - they use false Identities to make them look local, rather than be from "Boris in Vladivostok".

Example

Psychologists and students of advertising say the ads were cleverly designed to look like other internet memes, and to appeal to readers’ emotions. Jay Van Bavel, an associate professor of psychology at NYU, says he was surprised at the sophistication of the campaign. “It wasn’t transparent lies. It was just pushing our buttons,” says Van Bavel. “To me, this is more pernicious. It’s not a matter of fiction that we can root out with fact-checking. It’s more about turning Americans against each other.”

The ads took issues that voters care about and then “fed them to us as aggressively as possible,” he says.

Facebook estimates that 10 million people saw the paid ads and up to 150 million people saw other content from the fake accounts, which Facebook has traced to the Internet Research Agency, a Kremlin-backed troll farm. The ads were placed by fake accounts with names like United Muslims of America, Blacktivist, and LGBT United that could have passed for real Facebook groups.

[1andrew1]

Labour MP Bill Esterson nails the essence of the dilemma that BoJo faces but has ruled out the obvious solution to it.

The Conservative Party takes money from the Russians, No 10 suppressed the report and the Prime Minister forgot that his first duty is the security of the British people.
"So will the minister go away and tell the prime minister to investigate the Kremlin's role in undermining our democracy?

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Again, that’s not how it works...

They used Social Media to target specific groups of people, displaying posts/ads that either provoke a reaction against something, or to strengthen their support for something - they use false Identities to make them look local, rather than be from "Boris in Vladivostok".

Example

Exactly. They are doubtless on Redditt and forums right now sowing doubt in people's minds about the need to get to the bottom of the issue.

[Sephiroth]

Surely there's not much difference between Russian Facebook ads (e.g.) and BBC Russian Service (which is funded by the Foreign Office).

Sure there are differences in supported values, but the acts are essentially similar.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Again, that’s not how it works...

They used Social Media to target specific groups of people, displaying posts/ads that either provoke a reaction against something, or to strengthen their support for something - they use false Identities to make them look local, rather than be from "Boris in Vladivostok".

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Exactly. They are doubtless on Redditt and forums right now sowing doubt in people's minds about the need to get to the bottom of the issue.

or you could say they (if they exist) are currently all over Redditt and forums right now, sowing the seeds of misinformation to encourage the sheep followers to rise up and accuse the Gov't of incompetence

Originally Posted by Hugh

Again, that’s not how it works...

They used Social Media to target specific groups of people, displaying posts/ads that either provoke a reaction against something, or to strengthen their support for something - they use false Identities to make them look local, rather than be from "Boris in Vladivostok".

Example

What evidence can you base these ridiculous notions on eh?

None because you can never prove that Russians or any other country influenced the EU vote, whose vote do you cancel because they were tricked, or do you suggest running the vote again and again until you and your side get the result you want, not how it works Hugh, nor can we identify if President Obama influenced anybody with his back of queue bullshit, but I hazard a guess he did seeing as he was wheeled out in front of the UK press. Russian bots only had social media to contend with.

Stop looking for excuses to try nullify a result you have constantly rejected.

[1andrew1]

Speaking as someone who accepted the referendum from day one and didn't go on any protest marches, I believe it's important to investigate potential interference in the EU referendum so we can avoid it happening in the future.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Speaking as someone who accepted the referendum from day one and didn't go on any protest marches, I believe it's important to investigate potential interference in the EU referendum so we can avoid it happening in the future.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

How nice that you think people who voted to remain in the EU are democratic deniers especially when the vast majority accepted the democratic result..

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by denphone

How nice that you think people who voted to remain in the EU are democratic deniers especially when the vast majority accepted the democratic result..

Originally Posted by Mick

What evidence can you base these ridiculous notions on eh?

None because you can never prove that Russians or any other country influenced the EU vote, whose vote do you cancel because they were tricked, or do you suggest running the vote again and again until you and your side get the result you want, not how it works Hugh, nor can we identify if President Obama influenced anybody with his back of queue bullshit, but I hazard a guess he did seeing as he was wheeled out in front of the UK press. Russian bots only had social media to contend with.

Stop looking for excuses to try nullify a result you have constantly rejected.

Mick, you appear to be confused about the evidence I posted.

In the link, it explained the methodology on the evidence gathering - Facebook themselves posted evidence about how Russians had been using misleading identities to sow dissension, and still are.

I have previously stated I accept the result of Brexit - the last Election showed the British electorate wanted it, and I accept the election results, and that Brexit is happening.

However, if we don’t do something to stop it happening again, it will happen again - nobody want another country’s Government trying to influence our democratic process.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Mick, you appear to be confused about the evidence I posted.

In the link, it explained the methodology on the evidence gathering - Facebook themselves posted evidence about how Russians had been using misleading identities to sow dissension, and still are.

I have previously stated I accept the result of Brexit - the last Election showed the British electorate wanted it, and I accept the election results, and that Brexit is happening.

However, if we don’t do something to stop it happening again, it will happen again - nobody want another country’s Government trying to influence our democratic process.

I may be wrong, but isn't that what the UK has been doing regarding 'third world' countries for years? Out in the open of course . . well . . structured around cash in exchange for . . .

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Speaking as someone who accepted the referendum from day one and didn't go on any protest marches, I believe it's important to investigate potential interference in the EU referendum so we can avoid it happening in the future.

We're having another EU referendum???

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by pip08456

We're having another EU referendum???

It'll happen at some point, probably sooner than most think. The economic reality will quickly hit.