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[Taf]

Apparently short hair and being ex-military makes you an instant racist in the eyes of socialists (especially corbynistas) and anti-establishment types.

And if you post videos from African Americans (or "blacks" as they now wish to be known) who are slagging-off antifa and BLM, THEY are racist and so are you for posting them.

And discussing the many murders of white farmers by black gangs with machetes in South Africa (it still goes on) then you are "missing the point" as it's not black people in constant danger.

Neither is State racism in Malaysia against those of Chinese or Indian descent is "not something we should care about".

And 500 years of slavery and murder by Turks of white eastern Europeans is "ancient history".

These white Europeans people need to read a bit and stop flocking together to rant about white Europeans being the only racists on Earth.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Good luck with opening an English Cultural centre. Never be allowed. Every other sort is allowed and often gets public funding. The English have been described as a mongrel race. You can't get that way unless you are NOT racist. By definition, it is those that are "racially pure" that are racist.
BBC2 9:50pm


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So in all the instances portrayed in films and TV dramas, it's never a response that is returned to a Nazi?

You may wish to move your goalposts a little more subtly...

From

The thing about Nazi salutes, is that they should also be seen as calling the other side a Nazi.

to

So in all the instances portrayed in films and TV dramas, it's never a response that is returned to a Nazi?

is one helluva shift; who were the far-right thugs around the Cenotaph yesterday responding to - the statues, if the police?*

Well done for trying, though...

*I must have missed the police giving Nazi salutes.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Good luck with opening an English Cultural centre. Never be allowed.

And what would those contain if you did that aren't already part of most British historical and societal institutions?

That's a serious question by the way.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You may wish to move your goalposts a little more subtly...

From

to

is one helluva shift; who were the far-right thugs around the Cenotaph yesterday responding to - the statues, if the police?*

Well done for trying, though...

*I must have missed the police giving Nazi salutes.

What else would be the point of giving a nazi salute, other than to say, "you(ie the others) are bunch of nazis". Do other protesters never, ever, proclaim in one way or another that the other side is a X?



My point is that the person returning a salute of any kind, isn't necessarily supporting it.

[jfman]

Who are they returning it to???

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by nomadking

What else would be the point of giving a nazi salute, other than to say, "you(ie the others) are bunch of nazis". Do other protesters never, ever, proclaim in one way or another that the other side is a X?

My point is that the person returning a salute of any kind, isn't necessarily supporting it.

What on earth is that logic?

In the current world the only people that use it are doing so to signal their own affiliation. In historical context is was imposed by the Nazis on those they ruled.

There is a reason it's illegal in German and Austria and can be illegal in the UK.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

And what would those contain if you did that aren't already part of most British historical and societal institutions?

That's a serious question by the way.

Completely irrelevant, of course. If anything there is potentially too much to choose from, but how much would be allowed nowadays? Then again what is in the others, that isn't inherently racist, and is from a foreign country, and relatively recent.

Centres are allowed and promoted for every other group. That is where those other groups congregate and close themselves off(and possibly get COVID-19). They are only interested in their community, and not the community.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Centres are allowed and promoted for every other group. That is where those other groups congregate and close themselves off(and possibly get COVID-19). They are only interested in their community, and not the community.

Most centres you are referring to are usually for those that have come to the UK and allows them to meet others from similar backgrounds and stay connected. They rarely are closing themselves off, but are sharing a background that others have not experienced.

The same can be true for other societal clubs like political affiliation clubs e.g. Conservative clubs or Labour clubs. It's also true of things like the Bullingdon club or many of the private members clubs in London and elsewhere.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

What on earth is that logic?

In the current world the only people that use it are doing so to signal their own affiliation. In historical context is was imposed by the Nazis on those they ruled.

There is a reason it's illegal in German and Austria and can be illegal in the UK.

Any "affiliation" to a side is indicated by presence.
You can be(and people have) extradited to Germany or Austria for giving an opinion, yet when other countries want to extradite for more serious crimes(eg China/Hong Kong, Roman Polanksi), it's nothing doing.



So, do other protesters, NEVER, EVER, proclaim in one way or another that the other side is a X?

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Any "affiliation" to a side is indicated by presence.
You can be(and people have) extradited to Germany or Austria for giving an opinion, yet when other countries want to extradite for more serious crimes(eg China/Hong Kong, Roman Polanksi), it's nothing doing.

That's more to do with appropriate extradition agreements than anything we're talking about here.

So, do other protesters, NEVER, EVER, proclaim in one way or another that the other side is a X?

Find me an example where ANYONE protesting against Nazis or neo-Nazis have used any symbols of those groups to proclaim that they are Nazis

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Most centres you are referring to are usually for those that have come to the UK and allows them to meet others from similar backgrounds and stay connected. They rarely are closing themselves off, but are sharing a background that others have not experienced.

The same can be true for other societal clubs like political affiliation clubs e.g. Conservative clubs or Labour clubs. It's also true of things like the Bullingdon club or many of the private members clubs in London and elsewhere.

Why not join the community centres for THE community, rather than create one just for THEIR community. By definition, they are the racists.


Did you see the Darcus Howe documentary a while back, "Who you calling a ..."? Full of non-white people disparaging other non-white people, eg Afro-Caribbeans slagging off Somalis. When white people complain about the SAME thing, they are called racist.


Why should there be an "Asian Cricket Club of the Year"(2019 winner Mount Cricket Club in Batley, West Yorkshire, members mostly Muslim) in the UK? Countless other examples where participation is racially based.

Originally Posted by Pierre

It seems the “English” are not allowed to have an identity. Personally, I am comfortable in my white, straight, male identity. I’ve never racially abused anyone, or sexually abused or harassed anyone. I’ve always tried to be a nice person, not always managed it.

I am English and I have an identity. I mean I consider it more British since I think that's the culture I grew up in, the nation's various cultures mix is so strong that I don't think of anything as especially English rather than British.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

That's more to do with appropriate extradition agreements than anything we're talking about here.
Find me an example where ANYONE protesting against Nazis or neo-Nazis have used any symbols of those groups to proclaim that they are Nazis

I used the term "X", meaning "X" could represent a variety of things. Are you saying nobody held up a banner saying that the police are "X"?

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Why not join the community centres for THE community, rather than create one just for THEIR community. By definition, they are the racists.

Most do where they exist as far as I'm aware. You can part of THE community whilst also being connected to YOUR community and history. Unsurprisingly it happens in many different countries:
https://www.expatica.com/es/living/i...groups-105841/

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Did you see the Darcus Howe documentary a while back, "Who you calling a ..."? Full of non-white people disparaging other non-white people, eg Afro-Caribbeans slagging off Somalis. When white people complain about the SAME thing, they are called racist.

It's called racism then too, so there is no excuse. For instance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Africa

Originally Posted by nomadking

Why should there be an "Asian Cricket Club of the Year"(2019 winner Mount Cricket Club in Batley, West Yorkshire, members mostly Muslim) in the UK? Countless other examples where participation is racially based.

Why shouldn't there be? As I said before, you can be part of your community whilst still being able to have links to your own background and history.

Originally Posted by nomadking

I used the term "X", meaning "X" could represent a variety of things. Are you saying nobody held up a banner saying that the police are "X"?

Using the Nazi salute and using words are not the same thing and cannot be equated. What you said was:

Originally Posted by nomadking

What else would be the point of giving a nazi salute, other than to say, "you(ie the others) are bunch of nazis".

So when has ANYONE use a Nazi salute other than to indicate they themselves are Nazis or sympathise with that cause.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Most do where they exist as far as I'm aware. You can part of THE community whilst also being connected to YOUR community and history. Unsurprisingly it happens in many different countries:
https://www.expatica.com/es/living/i...groups-105841/

It's called racism then too, so there is no excuse. For instance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Africa
Why shouldn't there be? As I said before, you can be part of your community whilst still being able to have links to your own background and history.Using the Nazi salute and using words are not the same thing and cannot be equated. What you said was:
So when has ANYONE use a Nazi salute other than to indicate they themselves are Nazis or sympathise with that cause.

I think you'll have to forgive Nomadking. Linked up thinking is hard sometimes.

The violence yesterday was down to right wing bored football fans with nothing better to do, any excuse will do for them. Whereas the BLM protests have been over whelmingly peaceful.