Black Lives Matter

[Pierre]

Give it another week or so, and it will have all moved on. Premier League starts next weekend.

Nobody is really bothered about Corona Virus anymore, the Dominic Cummings malarkey has been completely overtaken by events to inconsequential now. At piers Morgan has shut up about that finally.

The BLM protests have just shown themselves to be people that wanted have a good old scrap and break a few things, not actually change anything.

A couple of more weeks and with lock down over they can get back to knifing each other, I doubt there’ll be any protests when that all starts again.

[jfman]

The poison that is English nationalism won't go away though, it'll just manifest itself in another way until England solves it's identity crisis. It's jealousy at other cultures taking pride in their own identity remains unresolved.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

The poison that is English nationalism won't go away though, it'll just manifest itself in another way until England solves it's identity crisis. It's jealousy at other cultures taking pride in their own identity remains unresolved.

I get the feeling you don't like the English.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

I get the feeling you don't like the English.

I like English people. However English nationalism on parade yesterday is utter poison. A mix of bile and hatred that I'm sure most reasonable people would consider appalling.

The thing is it's not 'for' anything, it doesn't convey a positive image of the English or British identity. Other than it resists others right to their identity - but that's reflective of the national psyche being grounded in centuries of oppressing and exploiting other identities and culture across the globe.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

I like English people. However English nationalism on parade yesterday is utter poison. A mix of bile and hatred that I'm sure most reasonable people would consider appalling.

The thing is it's not 'for' anything, it doesn't convey a positive image of the English or British identity. Other than it resists others right to their identity - but that's reflective of the national psyche being grounded in centuries of oppressing and exploiting other identities and culture across the globe.

Have you seen the Scotts when they go tribal,not exactly loved up are they.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Have you seen the Scotts when they go tribal,not exactly loved up are they.

Tends to be due to a clash between British and Irish culture though when they do.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

Tends to be due to a clash between British and Irish culture though when they do.

Obviously it'll be someone else's fault.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Obviously it'll be someone else's fault.

I don't understand... Most scenes in Scotland similar to those seen yesterday in London (Nazi salutes, etc) tend to be football related. One set of particularly confused individuals like the Nazi salute/Israel flag combo to be really out there...

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

I don't understand... Most scenes in Scotland similar to those seen yesterday in London (Nazi salutes, etc) tend to be football related. One set of particularly confused individuals like the Nazi salute/Israel flag combo to be really out there...

bit of National pride there then.
Yesterday's mob were just rent a mob footy hooligans,we had the same crap here in cleethorpes all singing football songs and nazi saluting the police,it was just like a normal match day for most of them without the footy.

[Julian]

I wonder how Prince William feels..........

[papa smurf]

Thugs pelt missiles as hundreds gather to 'protect' Sir Robert Peel statue under threat
HUNDREDS of people gathered to protect the statue of former prime minister and Metropolitan Police founder Sir Robert Peel in Scotland

Police - with their batons drawn - were forced to form a line across the street after missiles were launched between the two groups of demonstrators.

Police were able to stop the two groups from clashing with those looking to see the statue removed were forced back up North Hanover Street.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...cotland-latest


Elsewhere in Scotland, the words "racist king BLM" were sprayed in white paint on the plinth of the Robert the Bruce statue at the Battle of Bannockburn site in Stirling.

[jfman]

Rangers fans go out looking for a fight might be a more credible headline. It’s been a sore 9 years after all.

Again a sad group of people with no positive cultural identity to share with the rest of the world.

[Pierre]

It seems the “English” are not allowed to have an identity. Personally, I am comfortable in my white, straight, male identity. I’ve never racially abused anyone, or sexually abused or harassed anyone. I’ve always tried to be a nice person, not always managed it.

If I have “white privilege” so be it, it’s an accident of birth, I won’t apologise for it.

There is enough legislation in this country to ensure everybody is treated fairly by the law.

So I will get on with my life.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It seems the “English” are not allowed to have an identity. Personally, I am comfortable in my white, straight, male identity. I’ve never racially abused anyone, or sexually abused or harassed anyone. I’ve always tried to be a nice person, not always managed it.

If I have “white privilege” so be it, it’s an accident of birth, I won’t apologise for it.

There is enough legislation in this country to ensure everybody is treated fairly by the law.

So I will get on with my life.

Of course England is allowed to have an identity. My point is that it doesn’t have one - which leads to thugs embracing it and acting against anyone trying to develop their own positive one for themselves based on their own backgrounds. Be that the BAME communities, Scots, Irish, Welsh.

The notion of English identity got lost to a British one. Then the Empire crumbled. Creating a fragile national psyche threatened by seemingly anything innocuous.

I’d love England to develop a positive, outgoing, welcoming cultural identity for itself that it’s proud of. That gives it the confidence to not be threatened by others. And one that respectable people took ownership of, not absolute thugs.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

Of course England is allowed to have an identity. My point is that it doesn’t have one - which leads to thugs embracing it and acting against anyone trying to develop their own positive one for themselves based on their own backgrounds. Be that the BAME communities, Scots, Irish, Welsh.

The notion of English identity got lost to a British one. Then the Empire crumbled. Creating a fragile national psyche threatened by seemingly anything innocuous.

I’d love England to develop a positive, outgoing, welcoming cultural identity for itself that it’s proud of. That gives it the confidence to not be threatened by others. And one that respectable people took ownership of, not absolute thugs.

Good luck with opening an English Cultural centre. Never be allowed. Every other sort is allowed and often gets public funding. The English have been described as a mongrel race. You can't get that way unless you are NOT racist. By definition, it is those that are "racially pure" that are racist.
BBC2 9:50pm

Reggie Yates: Life and Death in Chicago
The broadcaster travels to Chicago to investigate gun crime in President Obama's adopted hometown to find out why so many of the victims are young African-American men. He hears first-hand the accusations of police brutality, but after attending the aftermath of a shooting, and the funeral of a young black man, he comes to realise an even bigger problem is the majority of killings are perpetrated by African-Americans living in the city's poorest neighbourhoods.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

So in all the instances portrayed in films and TV dramas, it's never a response that is returned to a Nazi?