Black Lives Matter

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

If a junior employee knew about it, obviously those higher up the hierarchy did.

It may have been known to "insiders" but it was not general public knowledge.

It’s interesting to see CF’ers varying views on this subject.

Has anyone discussed this with black friends, neighbours, or family? What were their views? (if you feel like sharing).

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

It’s interesting to see CF’ers varying views on this subject.

Has anyone discussed this with black friends, neighbours, or family? What were their views? (if you feel like sharing).

Yes - with a colleague who progressed from Apprentice to fully fledged employee and then onto a double salary elsewhere in London.

His attitude was that times had moved on and that in the UK movements of the BLM type were ill-judged, trouble making and a road to nowhere. He is of Sierra Leone origin and some of the influences (apart from me as his manager) were how The UK stood by Sierra Leone during a period of political instability and how the UK responded to the EBOLA plague - plus white girls love him.

It makes one wonder why the demonstrators are bothering given that the trigger was typical US police brutality.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Nobody seemed to mind when new information came out about some modern-day "heroes", which informed a different viewpoint (Saville & Harris) - don’t hear calls for memorials for their philanthropic work...

Any memorial to those people isn't grade two listed

It’s not about "removing heroes", it’s about providing a fuller picture, rather than the sanitised version currently in place.

And you provide a fuller picture by removing the object fully? I'm all for plaques beung added saying exactly what they did btw and in some peoples minds it is exactly about removing heroes, Nelson being the prime example

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

And you provide a fuller picture by removing the object fully? I'm all for plaques beung added saying exactly what they did btw and in some peoples minds it is exactly about removing heroes, Nelson being the prime example

In some cases they want them put in museums instead, other people want them kept but with the additional context and fewer people support the removal of Nelson than Colston. One of the ideas for the colston statue now is that they kept the plinth it was on and the part of it that broke off on the floor, so there is a still a landmark to explain who he was and why it's gone.

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

It makes one wonder why the demonstrators are bothering given that the trigger was typical US police brutality.

Unfortunately, it seems sizeable number of people are using the guise of 'demonstation' or 'protest' to riot, vandalise, bully, disrupt and generally cause nuisance (in the US and the UK). There are plenty of videos surfacing on the internet to support this viewpoint.

A lot of people are certainly not 'peaceful protesters'. It's a shame, because it takes away from the true cause of the upset and substantially undermines what the vast majority are trying to bring attention to. I think the bigger picture in all of this is really just 'police brutality (in the US) - period. A little bit of power can go to people's heads and it is abused.

Of course, we mustn't forget the 90's classic 'Killing in the name of' - poignant right now, perhaps?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by idi banashapan

Unfortunately, it seems sizeable number of people are using the guise of 'demonstation' or 'protest' to riot, vandalise, bully, disrupt and generally cause nuisance (in the US and the UK). There are plenty of videos surfacing on the internet to support this viewpoint.

What do you mean by sizable?

Also important to note that some content going around actually comes from totally different demonstrations.

A collection of photos showing injured police officers has been shared across social media. It has been suggested that the images come from last weekend’s Black Lives Matter protests in the UK.
However, half of the six pictures shown in the composite weren’t taken at those protests. The image of a police medic with a cut under his eye was taken at a protest in support of Tommy Robinson in London on 9 June 2018. The image of a police officer with blood on her cheek was taken at a protest in London on 9 April 2016 against David Cameron.

https://fullfact.org/online/blm-prot...ndon-pictures/

[peanut]

Bozo needs to get a grip on this before it spirals out of control.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

In some cases they want them put in museums instead, other people want them kept but with the additional context and fewer people support the removal of Nelson than Colston. One of the ideas for the colston statue now is that they kept the plinth it was on and the part of it that broke off on the floor, so there is a still a landmark to explain who he was and why it's gone.

It being part of this nations heritage is gone because a mob took the law into their own hands and broke both the law and that statue whilst the police lookrd on and did nothing and now on the whim of the mob more of our cultural heritage is being discarded and there's plans for even more of it to go. I was furious when the Taliban blew up the Buddha's, isis desecrated Palmyra and I'm not keen on this vandalism at all either.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It being part of this nations heritage is gone because a mob took the law into their own hands and broke both the law and that statue whilst the police lookrd on and did nothing and now on the whim of the mob more of our cultural heritage is being discarded and there's plans for even more of it to go. I was furious when the Taliban blew up the Buddha's, isis desecrated Palmyra and I'm not keen on this vandalism at all either.

How did you feel when the Saddam Hussein statue in Baghdad was toppled?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

How did you feel when the Saddam Hussein statue in Baghdad was toppled?

Totally different context.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

How did you feel when the Saddam Hussein statue in Baghdad was toppled?

Was Saddam Hussein over 300 years old at the time ?

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They even want to remove Robert Peel statues

[he] .. created the modern concept of policing, which has disproportionately targeted the poor and ethnic minorities worldwide for centuries

What planet are this idiots on.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

How did you feel when the Saddam Hussein statue in Baghdad was toppled?

Funnily enough I put that in the post you replied to but just knew someone was going to ask so removed it, Saddam's statue was put up a year before it was pulled down, hardly the same is it

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

What do you mean by sizable?

More that there should be.

Originally Posted by downquark1

Maggy, a few months ago I had a discussion with someone saying they want to drop World War I from the syllabus. Do you know anything about this?

Never heard anything about it..it would be a massive mistake.Erasing any part of history from the syllabus seems absolutely moronic to me. In fact they need to add more especially involving black history and cover how in 2 world wars how people of colour were part of both. They weren't just fought and won by white people.