Brexit

[denphone]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Fed up with Brexit? WATCH how CROMWELL dealt with dithering, self-serving Parliament!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...richard-harris

Actually its a great film as it is one of my favourites.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by denphone

Actually its a great film as it is one of my favourites.

And that speech is still right on the money today.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

And that speech is still right on the money today.

Great film and great writing. Saw it at The Gaumont, Birmingham when it first was released.

[jfman]

Except of course Parliament is fine. It’s Government that is the problem.

Brave and noble MPs putting country above party such as Letwin, Cooper and Grieve are saving the country from being ruined in an EU exit nobody voted for.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

Except of course Parliament is fine. It’s Government that is the problem.

Brave and noble MPs putting country above party such as Letwin, Cooper and Grieve are saving the country from being ruined in an EU exit nobody voted for.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

If Government could govern we’d be out by now.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by jfman

If Government could govern we’d be out by now.

The government and the opposition frankly could not govern a piss up in a brewery.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by denphone

The government and the opposition frankly could not govern a piss up in a brewery.

In defence of the Opposition the chances of People’s Vote and remaining have never been higher because they decided to play a long drawn out game. Had they tackled the Government head on it’d have focused minds earlier, we’ll ahead of March 29th.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by denphone

The government and the opposition frankly could not govern a piss up in a brewery.

Wonder how the new Torbour party is doing?

Originally Posted by jfman

It is right that, as any democratic institution, it respects the will of members.

Wong yet again - There's me thinking it was actually the electorate that should be respected.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Wonder how the new Torbour party is doing?

Well, they were being shit on from above, quite literally an hour or so ago - House of Commons has been suspended for the day, due to sewer leak/drainage issue.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

In defence of the Opposition the chances of People’s Vote and remaining have never been higher because they decided to play a long drawn out game. Had they tackled the Government head on it’d have focused minds earlier, we’ll ahead of March 29th.

Yes they should be congratulated for reneging on their manifesto pledge, and frustrating the will of the people.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Yes they should be congratulated for reneging on their manifesto pledge, and frustrating the will of the people.

They didn’t win the election despite the manifesto pledge. They’re not in a position to deliver, nor should they, to facilitate a damaging Tory Brexit.

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Originally Posted by Mick

Wong yet again - There's me thinking it was actually the electorate that should be respected.

Why would anyone want to do that?

If the population want to engage with politics they’re free to join a political party and steer it in any way they see fit.

Originally Posted by jfman

Except of course Parliament is fine. It’s Government that is the problem.

Brave and noble MPs putting country above party such as Letwin, Cooper and Grieve are saving the country from being ruined in an EU exit nobody voted for.

Jeez - just seen this reply of yours - You are taking the piss again aren't you?

Nothing at all noble about those pathetic MPs - they have stood on election manifestos to honour the result and then decide to go against them, once elected because they are pathetic and won't accept the democratic result. So no, absolute rubbish that they are noble or brave.

I am sick of you telling everyone, in this thread, they didn't know what they were voting for - they did - they voted to leave and yes that was what the country voted for, the ones that bothered to vote, that is.

You do know what leave means ?

It's not rocket science - leave means to "exit something", "get out of" - leaving the EU means exactly that. FFS, I am sick of seeing the same shit being said in this thread, that Brexiteers didn't know what version of Brexit they wanted - Clue: We DID!!!

I sure as hell know what I voted for and I am damn well sure 17.4 Million others did as well.

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Originally Posted by jfman

They didn’t win the election despite the manifesto pledge. They’re not in a position to deliver, nor should they, to facilitate a damaging Tory Brexit.

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Um - they won their SEAT, that got them in Parliament.

[jfman]

How do you explain the contradiction between Davis, Mogg, Raab, Fox and Johnson as to whether May’s deal is good or bad?

I’m certain everyone who voted leave wanted some form of leaving. There’s no uniform consensus on the future relationship, customs etc. Even you must see that surely?

As for each MP winning their seat you can see from the 6 million signatures on the petition that there’s a huge gulf among Labour voting constituencies.

Originally Posted by jfman

How do you explain the contradiction between Davis, Mogg, Raab, Fox and Johnson as to whether May’s deal is good or bad?

I’m certain everyone who voted leave wanted some form of leaving. There’s no uniform consensus on the future relationship, customs etc. Even you must see that surely?

Their contradiction is not my contradiction, you need to ask them, not me!

There is no different forms of leaving. When you leave your house - you don't take off your arms and leave them behind, same when you leave a room, leave the country, you don't leave bits of you there, there is no differential differences with the definition of leaving, as I explained above leave means exactly that.