Brexit - Page 76

**Mick** · 04-04-2019, 01:40

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Originally Posted by jfman

We know you don’t give a shit, but they’re your last hope for no deal on April 12th (or at all).

I’ve outlined many times how and why Parliament is sovereign in this country. That’s exactly what we are witnessing in action. If you want anything else the system needs overhauled further, a “revolution” establishing a republic and an elected second chamber. Presidential elections and senate elections keeping everyone on their toes all year round.

Leave will undoubtedly now have to win a second referendum mainly because it failed to establish what Brexit should look like. Jacob Rees-Mogg was right when he said a confirmatory referendum should take place, and I for one look forward to it. I’d even be tempted to vote for May’s deal if it made it onto the ballot.

Except it's not Sovereign, when EU Law trounces UK Law, John Bercow, HoC Speaker vouched this last week!!!

More rubbish - We already knew in 2016 what Brexit was - leave means leave, not this half in, half out crap.

By the way my hopes have not dashed and there will not be a Second Referendum, I keep telling you this.

jfman · 04-04-2019, 07:41

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Originally Posted by Mick

Except it's not Sovereign, when EU Law trounces UK Law, John Bercow, HoC Speaker vouched this last week!!!

More rubbish - We already knew in 2016 what Brexit was - leave means leave, not this half in, half out crap.

By the way my hopes have not dashed and there will not be a Second Referendum, I keep telling you this.

Parliament trounces the people, you’ve missed my point.

If you take such hardline positions you are going to find yourself continually disappointed as this process develops over the coming months.

RichardCoulter · 04-04-2019, 09:05

The police have now warned people not to make inflammatory comments:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4108791.html

There are a lot of unhappy people and it makes me wonder if they have some intelligence that suggests action is being planned. I've never known the country to be so divided, not even during the miners strike.

denphone · 04-04-2019, 09:14

Of course people are unhappy but only extremist's and those without a brain would ever take it further as the best place to voice ones unhappiness has always been through the ballot box.

jfman · 04-04-2019, 09:25

If/when it all goes wrong you can blame the Brexit fanatics who rather than compromise (and back May’s deal) are wanting to play russian roulette over it.

May’s deal would have passed and we would be outside the European Union already if they put country over ideology.

Healthy advanced countries have also undergone revolution at one form or another, except the UK. I think it’d be a positive thing in the long run. It might take 50 years, but hey, that’s what Rees-Mogg said about crashing out on WTO terms.

For some time the current predicament has been entirely predictable.

Carth · 04-04-2019, 12:40

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Originally Posted by denphone

the best place to voice ones unhappiness has always been through the ballot box.

. . . yeah, because that worked last time for 17 million people didn't it

denphone · 04-04-2019, 12:43

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Originally Posted by Carth

. . . yeah, because that worked last time for 17 million people didn't it

So you will have a chance when the next General Election is called to voice your displeasure and to punish them...

Mr K · 04-04-2019, 12:47

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

The police have now warned people not to make inflammatory comments:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4108791.html

There are a lot of unhappy people and it makes me wonder if they have some intelligence that suggests action is being planned. I've never known the country to be so divided, not even during the miners strike.

Lol, they've obviously been reading the Torygraph readers online comments. Totally unmoderated with threats of violence, what a nice lot !

denphone · 04-04-2019, 12:56

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Lol, they've obviously been reading the Torygraph readers online comments. Totally unmoderated with threats of violence, what a nice lot !

The Telegraph used to be a decent paper at one time until it was politicised like many of the other newspapers nowadays.

**Mick** · 04-04-2019, 13:56

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Originally Posted by jfman

If/when it all goes wrong you can blame the Brexit fanatics who rather than compromise (and back May’s deal) are wanting to play russian roulette over it.

May’s deal would have passed and we would be outside the European Union already if they put country over ideology.

Healthy advanced countries have also undergone revolution at one form or another, except the UK. I think it’d be a positive thing in the long run. It might take 50 years, but hey, that’s what Rees-Mogg said about crashing out on WTO terms.

For some time the current predicament has been entirely predictable.

Theresa May’s deal or Arch Remainer. Olly Robins, isn’t Brexit, the ERG are not Extremists or fanatics, they want to implement what the country had decided in 2016, to fully leave the EU. Not remain in little bits of it.

jfman · 04-04-2019, 14:00

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Originally Posted by Mick

Theresa May’s deal or Arch Remainer. Olly Robins, isn’t Brexit, the ERG are not Extremists or fanatics, they want to implement what the country had decided in 2016, to fully leave the EU. Not remain in little bits of it.

There are clearly different interpretations of Brexit, or else Gove, Johnson, Davis, Mogg, Dodds would all agree. It’s not me that’s decided there’s more than one definition. It’s them!

1andrew1 · 04-04-2019, 14:20

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Originally Posted by jfman

Parliament trounces the people, you’ve missed my point.

If you take such hardline positions you are going to find yourself continually disappointed as this process develops over the coming months.

I think that's the trouble - lack of compromise. Everyone needs to accept that the ideal vision they may have had in their head for the UK post 29/3 won't happen, get over it and find a compromise. Full credit to TM and JC for realising this.

What has made Theresa May realise that no-deal is unacceptable? Sky News has an interesting article. A relevant quote:

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One of her inner circle said: "She's fixated on the union. No-deal clearly puts huge strain on the Irish border and the consequence of that is a border poll becomes a real possibility."She thinks it would be high risk and if it succeeded there would be a great impetus to Scotland. It could be that serious in terms of the breakup of the UK."
Two other government sources told Sky News they believed the union was the decisive factor in Mrs May's thinking. One said: "It was the union. The prospect of direct rule and some of the decisions that would need to be made in that situation are very unpalatable." Another source added that the prospect of a border poll in Northern Ireland was "very real" and something that other cabinet ministers were also concerned about.

https://news.sky.com/story/why-did-t...rexit-11683841

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Originally Posted by jfman

There are clearly different interpretations of Brexit, or else Gove, Johnson, Davis, Mogg, Dodds would all agree. It’s not me that’s decided there’s more than one definition. It’s them!

Spot on.

Good article (collection of tweets) here calling out Piers Morgan on his false assertion that people voted for a no-deal Brexit. https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2019/04/04...tterly-brutal/

Pierre · 04-04-2019, 14:23

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Originally Posted by jfman

If/when it all goes wrong you can blame the Brexit fanatics who rather than compromise (and back May’s deal) are wanting to play russian roulette over it.

May’s deal would have passed and we would be outside the European Union already if they put country over ideology.

Healthy advanced countries have also undergone revolution at one form or another, except the UK. I think it’d be a positive thing in the long run. It might take 50 years, but hey, that’s what Rees-Mogg said about crashing out on WTO terms.

For some time the current predicament has been entirely predictable.

I agree, but not just Brexit fanatics.

The Labour party whose only objective was to engineer a General Election.

jfman · 04-04-2019, 14:26

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I agree, but not just Brexit fanatics.

The Labour party whose only objective was to engineer a General Election.

The Labour Party have a clear socialist vision. It’s not compatible with the Brexit proposals offered thus far. Privatising everything and reducing workers rights is only going to make things harder for the future Labour Government.

It is right that, as any democratic institution, it respects the will of members.

papa smurf · 04-04-2019, 15:24

Fed up with Brexit? WATCH how CROMWELL dealt with dithering, self-serving Parliament!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...richard-harris