Brexit (Old)

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

John Redwood knows perfectly how UK infrastructure works. I've known him for 30 years and he is right on the ball at all times.

I first met him at a Tory Party Conference in the early 80s, when he worked in the Policy Unit, and he never let facts get in the way of his beliefs- he hasn’t changed much since then.

Remember, this is the man who advised investors to take their money out of the UK whilst backing Brexit.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I first met him at a Tory Party Conference in the early 80s, when he worked in the Policy Unit, and he never let facts get in the way of his beliefs- he hasn’t changed much since then.

Remember, this is the man who advised investors to take their money out of the UK whilst backing Brexit.

exactly more project FACT

[richard s]

John (Spock) Redwood on the ball... he sure is, that would be a crystal ball would it.


This country is not using the channel tunnel crossing link properly in my view. Lorries are loaded onto trains for a short distance and then they drive miles to a destination on either side of the channel. What should have happened is that trains should have been loaded with containers and travel on near to their destination (distribution centers). Distribution centers in every country with their own lorries for dispatching said goods.


Our rail network is so under used.... There are too many lorries on our roads.

[jonbxx]

Of course it’s a well known fact that Dutch and Belgian ports or indeed any other port in the EU won’t have to work to the same regulations and standards as Calais. It’s not like there’s a single market or anything.

I honestly don’t think John Redwood is stupid but I do think he thinks everyone else is.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Dave42

exactly more project FACT

It's Hugh's statement based on one meeting before he was an MP that's claimed to be a fact above my opinion based on 30 years' knowledge of the man.

That is Dave being shallow and with little or no knowledge of the man (not as if Hugh knew him to any extent either).

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

It's Hugh's statement based on one meeting before he was an MP that's claimed to be a fact above my opinion based on 30 years' knowledge of the man.

That is Dave being shallow and with little or no knowledge of the man (not as if Hugh knew him to any extent either).

no, the FACT was

Remember, this is the man who advised investors to take their money out of the UK whilst backing Brexit.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

no, the FACT was

So what? During the guvmin induced chaos, the £ was hammered. He is an investment advisor and has to advise honestly.

On Brexit, he objects to the hegemony that I've been on about as distinct from the Common Market we originally joined.

All perfectly reasonable.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

So what? During the guvmin induced chaos, the £ was hammered. He is an investment advisor and has to advise honestly.

On Brexit, he objects to the hegemony that I've been on about as distinct from the Common Market we originally joined.

All perfectly reasonable.

The dispute isn't whether his investment advice was good or bad. It's more that you initially gave a strong impression that he gave no such advice in the first place.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The dispute isn't whether his investment advice was good or bad. It's more that you initially gave a strong impression that he gave no such advice in the first place.

Nothing of the sort. What did I say to give you that impression?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Nothing of the sort. What did I say to give you that impression?

You gave that impression to others too.
Post 2762. You quoted Dave who noted it was Project Fact that John Redwood had advised investors to take their money out of the country.
You quoted Dave's post and replied "That is Dave being shallow and with little or no knowledge of the man"

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

Of course it’s a well known fact that Dutch and Belgian ports or indeed any other port in the EU won’t have to work to the same regulations and standards as Calais. It’s not like there’s a single market or anything.

The issue is that Dover just deals in EU traffic so is designed for this set-up, whereas the Belgium and Dutch ports have trade from outside the EI so could more easily handle inspections, lorry-parking etc. However, they are a further distance from the UK so extra costs would be incurred. Hull-Rotterdam is some eleven hours, for example.

Originally Posted by jonbxx

I honestly don’t think John Redwood is stupid but I do think he thinks everyone else is.

He can sometimes give that impression. I guess it's his personality with his accountant's roots. Maybe Seph can pass on this constructive feedback next time they meet.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You gave that impression to others too.
Post 2762. You quoted Dave who noted it was Project Fact that John Redwood had advised investors to take their money out of the country.
You quoted Dave's post and replied "That is Dave being shallow and with little or no knowledge of the man"
<SNIP>

That is a huge reach. As in interpreting what I said in the manner that suited you. Anyway, I've put the record straight now.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

He [John Redwood] can sometimes give that impression [being stupid]. I guess it's his personality with his accountant's roots. Maybe Seph can pass on this constructive feedback next time they meet.

This is really bad form on your part. First, regarding his “accountant’s roots” presumably you knew it was his father that had been an accountant, not JR? Why would that give an impression that JR is stupid. A personality doesn’t develop because of the father’s profession as an account. Very shallow and beneath the level at which you should be posting.

Second, can you debate something he’s said, for example, in his extensive blog, that gives the impression that he is stupid? Not something with which you merely disagree, but a real gaff.

Shallow, shallow, shallow. You and those who are taking the same line.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

This is really bad form on your part. First, regarding his “accountant’s roots” presumably you knew it was his father that had been an accountant, not JR? Why would that give an impression that JR is stupid. A personality doesn’t develop because of the father’s profession as an account. Very shallow and beneath the level at which you should be posting.

Second, can you debate something he’s said, for example, in his extensive blog, that gives the impression that he is stupid? Not something with which you merely disagree, but a real gaff.

Shallow, shallow, shallow. You and those who are taking the same line.

Eh.What on Earth are you on about? I agreed with Jon's point that he sometimes gives the impression he thinks others are stupid. You are putting false words in my post.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

This is really bad form on your part. First, regarding his “accountant’s roots” presumably you knew it was his father that had been an accountant, not JR? Why would that give an impression that JR is stupid. A personality doesn’t develop because of the father’s profession as an account. Very shallow and beneath the level at which you should be posting.

Second, can you debate something he’s said, for example, in his extensive blog, that gives the impression that he is stupid? Not something with which you merely disagree, but a real gaff.

Shallow, shallow, shallow. You and those who are taking the same line.

Eh.What on Earth are you on about? I agreed with Jon's point that he is not stupid but sometimes gives the impression he thinks others are stupid. You are putting false words in my post.

[OLD BOY]

That was certainly worth saying twice!

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Eh.What on Earth are you on about? I agreed with Jon's point that he sometimes gives the impression he thinks others are stupid. You are putting false words in my post.

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Eh.What on Earth are you on about? I agreed with Jon's point that he is not stupid but sometimes gives the impression he thinks others are stupid. You are putting false words in my post.

You actually said: "He can sometimes give that impression. I guess it's his personality with his accountant's roots.". I put no words into your mouth.