Brexit (Old)

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The EU has no intention of reaching a trade deal with the UK except on their terms - which are being bound to the Customs Union.

Surely that is staring you in the face? The evidence is glaring in front of you.



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Beg to differ

https://www.britishports.org.uk/syst...time_ports.pdf

A snippet:

At present roughly half of the trade passing through the sea ports of the UK is customs free trade with the other 27 members of the EU. Dover is the dominant port for EU trade, accounting for 22% of the total (exports plus imports)
.

I agree with Seph: in this 2014 report, Dover is 3rd in the list when viewed in traded value:

http://www.abports.co.uk/content/fil...s%20Report.pdf

Table 3: UK international trade by estimated value through the major port, 2014

Major Port Value (£'000s)
Felixstowe 74,526,911
Southampton 71,370,110
Dover 69,495,287

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I agree with Seph: in this 2014 report, Dover is 3rd in the list when viewed in traded value:

http://www.abports.co.uk/content/fil...s%20Report.pdf

I don't dispute that, but this figure relates only to EU trade. The 6% relates to all trade.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I don't dispute that, but this figure relates only to EU trade. The 6% relates to all trade.

Obviously world trade is not destined to Dover from Calais. The thread is about Brexit. Your 6% is irrelevant.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Well the crossing goes from our coast to their coast, it is a mind blowing concept

Calais is Important, but Rotterdam is more important.

So I can understand if he though that Dover - Calais was more tourism oriented.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...16-revised.pdf

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Obviously world trade is not destined to Dover from Calais. The thread is about Brexit. Your 6% is irrelevant.

On that point, I can readily agree.
I have heard that companies are exploring other ports to replace Dover as more global ports have more extensive customs areas and holding areas for lorries compared to Dover, an EU-only port.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

On that point, I can readily agree.
I have heard that companies are exploring other ports to replace Dover as more global ports have more extensive customs areas and holding areas for lorries compared to Dover, an EU-only port.

Makes sense.

[Mr K]

I'm more worried about Dover's football team, very poor of late. Maybe Brexit is affecting their performance?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Obviously world trade is not destined to Dover from Calais. The thread is about Brexit. Your 6% is irrelevant.

As an explanation for why Raab may not have given sufficient regard to the importance of the Dover-Calais crossing, it is not irrelevant, although it may not be what you wanted to hear.

[Bircho]

Have to say the Tory party is like the blind leading the blind. Raab and Redwood fighting it out for biggest idiot award:
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/stat...590944768?s=19

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

As an explanation for why Raab may not have given sufficient regard to the importance of the Dover-Calais crossing, it is not irrelevant, although it may not be what you wanted to hear.

Look, I'm a Leave supporter. But I don't make apologies for the stupid government who are wrecking the Referendum result. An ignorant minister, and one who publicly admits that ignorance doesn't help.

Then you come along and try to soften the consequences of Raab's ignorance. What I do want to hear from you, as if I had any rights in that regard, is anything realistic that can propel us towards a decent Brexit.

[Mr K]

Another one bites the dust ....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46155403

Transport minister Jo Johnson has quit the government, calling for the public to have a fresh say on Brexit.

The MP, who is Boris Johnson's brother, said the UK was "barrelling towards an incoherent Brexit that is going to leave us trapped in a subordinate relationship to the EU".

It was "imperative" to "go back to the people and check they are content to proceed on this extraordinary basis".

The more sensible of the Johnson offspring, but that's not saying much.

'Going back to the people' - now that's a cracking idea !

[denphone]

Brexit is going to happen Mr K but its sure been a complete and utter omnishambles since the referendum.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Bircho

Have to say the Tory party is like the blind leading the blind. Raab and Redwood fighting it out for biggest idiot award:
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/stat...590944768?s=19

Nothing wrong with what John Redwood said:

"Memo to Dominic Raab - There's plenty of channel & North Sea ports allowing easy passage of goods from the continent to the UK. The Dutch & Belgian ports would love to lift more of the Calais-Dover trade. Calais has made quite clear it wants to keep the trade. No need to worry."

[Bircho]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Nothing wrong with what John Redwood said:

"Memo to Dominic Raab - There's plenty of channel & North Sea ports allowing easy passage of goods from the continent to the UK. The Dutch & Belgian ports would love to lift more of the Calais-Dover trade. Calais has made quite clear it wants to keep the trade. No need to worry."

So you can join them in knowing absolutely nothing on how the infrastructure of this country works.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Bircho

So you can join them in knowing absolutely nothing on how the infrastructure of this country works.

John Redwood knows perfectly how UK infrastructure works. I've known him for 30 years and he is right on the ball at all times.