Brexit (Old)

[denphone]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Strangely defensive, I don't think he's got anything to worry about.

Nor do l as the fact is Brexit is happening whether one wants it or not.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Just make it stop. Just leave with no deal and take it from there.

so you want us to have a medicine shortage ?
so you want planes to stop flying ?
so you want us less secure?
and before you say project fear read article 50 I posted a while back as we leave every treaty with no deal that covers everything I listed too no deal will be massive disaster for UK

ps we need to leave with a deal and I hope we do but need Ireland border sorted for a deal as nothing is agreed to everything is agreed

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Strangely defensive, I don't think he's got anything to worry about.

I'm not worried about anything we have had a referendum we are leaving ,any one can commission a pole and word the questions in such a way to sway the result in one direction ,and that's what makes them useless and irrelevant.

so even if it comes back that leave is now at 70% i would still say the figures are worthless .

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

I'm not worried about anything we have had a referendum we are leaving ,any one can commission a pole and word the questions in such a way to sway the result in one direction ,and that's what makes them useless and irrelevant.

so even if it comes back that leave is now at 70% i would still say the figures are worthless .

we know we debating how we leave

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Dave42

so you want us to have a medicine shortage ?
so you want planes to stop flying ?
so you want us less secure?
and before you say project fear read article 50 I posted a while back as we leave every treaty with no deal that covers everything I listed too no deal will be massive disaster for UK

ps we need to leave with a deal and I hope we do but need Ireland border sorted for a deal as nothing is agreed to everything is agreed

Ha ha,sorry, do me a favour, project fear really done a number on you.

So We won’t be able to fly to Spain!!! Seriously!

You of course know that virtually all Northern European flights have to transit UK airspace to get to America!??

As for the rest, get a grip. I’ll buy you a new teddy bear so you can sleep at night.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Ha ha,sorry, do me a favour, project fear really done a number on you.

So We won’t be able to fly to Spain!!! Seriously!

You of course know that virtually all Northern European flights have to transit UK airspace to get to America!??

As for the rest, get a grip. I’ll buy you a new teddy bear so you can sleep at night.

article 50


1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.

project fact in black and white in article 50 what part of all treaties cease do you not understand

I sent you that unicorn your waiting for shall I ?

[Sephiroth]

If they do that to us, it's tantamount to war. So that won't happen.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Dave42

article 50


1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.

project fact in black and white in article 50 what part of all treaties cease do you not understand

I sent you that unicorn your waiting for shall I ?

You are obviously lacking in what you think the politicians are lacking in......common sense.

Planes will not stop flying, bloody ludicrous and to think so - i’m afraid - makes you look foolish.

Chicken little syndrome.

Spain’s economy is fragile as it is, do you really think they’ll be OK to stop millions of UK pounds entering their country. Do you think the EU, as daft as they are, would stand by and see Spain’s economy endangered. It’s not just Spain, but Greece, Italy etc.

Do you think KLM. Lufthansa, Air France would happily divert around UK airspace.

If we left with no deal, most if not all treaties would continue as normal until they were renegotiated.

No take your scare tactic bollocks and tell someone who cares.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Pierre

You are obviously lacking in what you think the politicians are lacking in......common sense.

Planes will not stop flying, bloody ludicrous and to think so - i’m afraid - makes you look foolish.

Chicken little syndrome.

Spain’s economy is fragile as it is, do you really think they’ll be OK to stop millions of UK pounds entering their country. Do you think the EU, as daft as they are, would stand by and see Spain’s economy endangered. It’s not just Spain, but Greece, Italy etc.

Do you think KLM. Lufthansa, Air France would happily divert around UK airspace.

If we left with no deal, most if not all treaties would continue as normal until they were renegotiated.

No take your scare tactic bollocks and tell someone who cares.

you think they fly without safety certificates like? it not me that looking foolish it you and I repeat all treaties cease what part of that do you not understand

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Dave42

you think they fly without safety certificates like? it not me that looking foolish it you and I repeat all treaties cease what part of that do you not understand

Wind your neck in.............

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...no-brexit-deal

Individual states make their own specific aviation safety legislation in the context of the Chicago Convention and its annexes. ... This means that in addition to the recognition provided under the Chicago Convention, certificates issued by the UK CAA are recognised as valid for aircraft registered anywhere in the EU.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Wind your neck in.............

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...no-brexit-deal

3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

wind yours in it in black and white in article 50

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Wonder what result ch4 have paid the "independent" surveyors to arrive at?

C4 have said that the poll was done in their 'usual balanced and fair way':

https://www.channel4.com/info/press/...eally-thinks-x

I don't think that they would have anything to gain by doing otherwise.

Some interesting facts so far e.g. 1/3 of leavers think that leaving will be bad for the economy, but still believe that leaving is the right thing to do.

Overall, 49% think that leaving will be bad for the economy (bolstered by 2/3 of remainers who think it will bad), 35% think it will be good for the economy and 16% think that it won't make any difference. It must follow, therefore, that 1/3 of remainders think that remaining in the EU will be bad for the economy!

Overall results of Brexit on the impact of reducing immigration:

45% good, 24% bad and 31% no difference.

The majority think that immigration is a negative thing (58%), but this has decreased since 2013 when 74% thought that it was a bad thing.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Dave42

3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

wind yours in it in black and white in article 50

The CAA can issue it’s own safety certificates that are acceptable internationally and to therefore to the EU.

Therefore as stated planes can and would continue to fly, and any further UK/EU bi-lateral arrangement would be negotiated.

Stop believing the bollocks Dave.

Don’t jump at the sight of your own shadow.

[RichardCoulter]

If the referendum was held again with exactly the same question (according to the 20,000 people who took part across the country) the result would be 54% remain and 46% leave.

That's a little higher than I thought it would be, I thought that If would be roughly the same as last time, but with the results transposed.

[Pierre]

I hate to break it to anyone,

But 20,000 is still only 0.6% of those that voted in the referendum.

I’m afraid it means nothing.

The only poll that mattered was the one on the day.