Brexit discussion

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I thought BoJo was a tad desperate the other day until I saw this historical link from The Express of all sources! Old Boy, you really are getting desperate for evidence but even going back six months you are failing to find anything that supports your statements!

The reality is that as the article explains "Mr Barnier has repeatedly spoken about how the only option available to Britain is a Canada-style free trade deal because of Theresa May’s red lines over free movement and the ECJ."

So, that will exclude services which account for most of our exports to the EU but include manufactured goods thereby allowing the Germans to carry on selling us their cars and the French their wine.

Whether we ever get to that stage given the Irish border situation is of course another matter.

It's not the only option, no deal at all is better than that, they'll like that option only slightly less than us plus on the upside we'll be able to become a fully fledged tax haven on the coast of Europe rather than simply masquerading as one like we do currently, they can also stick their much vaunted fair and level playing field where the sun doesn't shine to then as well

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It's not the only option, no deal at all is better than that, they'll like that option only slightly less than us plus on the upside we'll be able to become a fully fledged tax haven on the coast of Europe rather than simply masquerading as one like we do currently, they can also stick their much vaunted fair and level playing field where the sun doesn't shine to then as well

You're forgetting we signed the indefinite back stop agreement and wish it to apply to the whole of the UK.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i think Andrew's still brexsulking !

Yes and I like it how they think that if they keep throwing their toys out of the pram, Brexit won't be happening.

It's happening, as is leaving the SM and CU, May has said this over and over again about us leaving these two parts of the EU. We are leaving them, as we should.

[1andrew1]

Yes and I like it how they think that if they keep throwing their toys out of the pram, Brexit won't be happening.

It's happening, as is leaving the SM and CU, May has said this over and over again about us leaving these two parts of the EU. We are leaving them, as we should.

One key issue remains. The backdrop agreement for the Irish border. We'll be leaving the EU next year but for how long we remain in the SM and CU remains to be seen. No amount of confident posturing will solve it. Forget Sunny & Cher, this is the track that we'll all be singing all to for the rest of our lives.

This was on LBC tonight, as reported by LBC.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...-trump-brexit/

Arron Banks Says Russian Collusion In Trump/Brexit Campaigns Is "Possible"

Speaking in a wider context, Nigel asked Mr Banks if he thought there had been any collusion between Russia and the Trump or Brexit campaigns.

The Leave.EU founder replied: “I think it’s possible at a low level – when we talked about these bots and the things that the Russians were trying to do. But at a very, sort of, amateur level."

[Mr K]

Russian involvement with Brexit and Trump isn't a surprise. They want maximum discord and unrest to make other countries weaker. It's working a treat here and in the US.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You're forgetting we signed the indefinite back stop agreement and wish it to apply to the whole of the UK.

It won't be on the terms you describe

Originally Posted by Hugh

This was on LBC tonight, as reported by LBC.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...-trump-brexit/

I thought there was no collusion, now it's low level, by this time next week he'll have married a Russian, speak the language and be on first name terms with the ambassador

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Originally Posted by Mick

Yes and I like it how they think that if they keep throwing their toys out of the pram, Brexit won't be happening.

It's happening, as is leaving the SM and CU, May has said this over and over again about us leaving these two parts of the EU. We are leaving them, as we should.

When shouldn't we be just out of interest, I've accepted I'm going to be a bit poorer as a result of this but where is your level, you happy to be a lot poorer, house worth lots less, loose your job? Just wondering what you class as acceptable to get out

[heero_yuy]

Quote from The Sun:

IT is Britain’s biggest warehouse – but the doom-mongering anti-Brexit brigade would prefer that you did not even know it exists.

Felixstowe, on the Suffolk coast, is Britain’s biggest and busiest container port, handling £80billion of goods every year.

The vast majority of the four million containers that pass through come from outside the EU — but there are no catastrophic queues, stacks of paperwork or ludicrous checkpoints as a result.

Non-EU goods must be declared and processed, and whining Remainers insist that doing this with EU goods would cause chaos if we leave the customs union. They say the country will become a bureaucratic basket case.

That is baffling news for the port workers in Felixstowe.

Their system is so efficient that some EU containers, arriving on non-EU ships go through the processing system anyway as it is so painless.

Felixstowe is proof that leaving the customs union will not be the logistical disaster that some warn it could be.

Figures show an estimated 98 per cent of non-EU crates pass through the port of Felixstowe as quickly and easily as goods that arrive from within the EU.

This is because the non-EU goods have cleared customs before they even reach Britain thanks to a digital cargo-tracking system called Destin8.

So there's already the Destin8 system of electronic customs pre-declaration for non-EU goods illustrating that the NI border issue that remainers think is so impossible to solve really doesn't exist at all.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

So there's already the Destin8 system of electronic customs pre-declaration for non-EU goods illustrating that the NI border issue that remainers think is so impossible to solve really doesn't exist at all.

It's not Remainders insisting on anything, it's what acceptable to the EU27. The negotiations are firstly in the Government and then between the UK and EU. We're still negotiating internally at the moment.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

So there's already the Destin8 system of electronic customs pre-declaration for non-EU goods illustrating that the NI border issue that remainers think is so impossible to solve really doesn't exist at all.

This is a rehash of a story in the Daily Mail - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ptrap.html

That article was rebutted from a frankly unlikely source, a pro leave blog - http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86882 In this article, Felixstowe and Dover are compared.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Why do you assume that your uncalculated calculations are better than those of our hard-working economists? These people weren't Project Fear and they don't have the appalling record that you attribute to them. They have modelled all leave scenarios and all come out worse than staying in the EU. It really isn't that hard to grasp.

It's something like a maximum 0.7% uplift from the bold new deals that you talk about and a 5% decrease in trade.

As I said, Andrew, economic forecasts tend not to reflect the reality. They have been wrong time and time again, as the record shows. And yet you treat these forecasts as if they are indisputable proof!

Too many wrong assumptions are made by those trying to work out the likely consequences of Brexit. Most of them seem only to see disaster when actually this is a wonderful opportunity for us.

Given the incorrect assumptions that were made about what would happen to the economy as soon as the electorate voted for Brexit, I'm rather surprised that you are ignoring that in pursuit of your steadfast, unwavering insistence that post 2019, Britain will fall into abject poverty. The rest of the world survives without the EU, as indeed we used to as well.

This dystopian future you foresee is typical of many visions that novellists have when they write their fantasies about what is to come, and the 'end of the world is nigh' brigade seem to attract an uncanny fascination for some folks. Fortunately, history teaches us to ignore these fanciful notions.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

As I said, Andrew, economic forecasts tend not to reflect the reality. They have been wrong time and time again, as the record shows. And yet you treat these forecasts as if they are indisputable proof!

Too many wrong assumptions are made by those trying to work out the likely consequences of Brexit. Most of them seem only to see disaster when actually this is a wonderful opportunity for us.

Given the incorrect assumptions that were made about what would happen to the economy as soon as the electorate voted for Brexit, I'm rather surprised that you are ignoring that in pursuit of your steadfast, unwavering insistence that post 2019, Britain will fall into abject poverty. The rest of the world survives without the EU, as indeed we used to as well.

This dystopian future you foresee is typical of many visions that novellists have when they write their fantasies about what is to come, and the 'end of the world is nigh' brigade seem to attract an uncanny fascination for some folks. Fortunately, history should teaches us to ignore these fanciful notions.

Give up OB - certain individuals on this forum and there is a few - want to see failure or see every negative thing 10 yards down the road.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mick

Give up OB - certain individuals on this forum and there is a few - want to see failure or see every negative thing 10 yards down the road.

l guess that is our great democracy where people can have differing views or shall l say a opposite view of someone else's view.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by denphone

l guess that is our great democracy where people can have differing views or shall l say a opposite view of someone else's view.

Sometimes differing views aren't welcome on CF Den

Originally Posted by denphone

l guess that is our great democracy where people can have differing views or shall l say a opposite view of someone else's view.

You have a funny view of Democracy - that's not how I see this thread has gone.

The democracy I see is having a vote and then once a vote has taken place, accepting the result, the backbiting, the negative rubbish, the scare tactics, fear mongering is just a feeble attempt by "some" Remainers to overturn that vote, because they cannot accept they lost.