Brexit discussion

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Either way it’s still a Million more majority. There was no Russian influence. It’s another pathetic attempt by some Remainers to thwart the legitimacy of the vote. Get it in to your heads, we are leaving the corrupted EU that was democratically decided in 2016.

Our institutions are still conducting their enquiries. If you have additional information to support the above kind of statement they would undoubtedly welcome your insights which would doubtless save the taxpayer time and money.

https://www.ft.com/content/94ef2bb0-...b-4acfcfb08c11

The UK is to apply to stay in the European standards system for industry products and services after Brexit, following warnings from business that creating British-only benchmarks would be “an isolationist move” that would pile costs on to companies.

Business secretary Greg Clark has backed moves to keep the UK as a full member of European standard setting bodies, shrugging off suggestions from trade secretary Liam Fox that Britain should strike out on an independent course.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Our institutions are still conducting their enquiries. .

They are doing no such thing.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

So what would you think if we remained in some sort of customs union with the EU ? With no definite date of leaving it ? Does that count as 'Brexit' ? Or just a complete waste of time all round ?

I thought I had made this clear many times over....

...Brexit is leaving the EU, in it's entirety. No Single Market, no Customs Union, staying in a Customs Union prevents us from trading with the rest of the World, which has a far more bigger and productive market, that is in terms of market share, the EU is a shrinking financial bubble. We're paying a membership fee just for paltry benefits. We put more in than we get out, rather than some of the other 28 Countries are putting less in but getting more out.... 28 Countries in the EU, (Soon to be 27 when we finally leave) and we are one of only 10 who puts in more than we get out.

Not sustainable, time to leave the club in which we carry other Countries.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

They are doing no such thing.

The Electoral Commission is and the House of Commons has asked Banks to give evidence. Companies House has also compelled him to publish accounts of his holding company so we can better understand how his companies are funded.
MPs are also understandably calling for a police investigation.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

I thought I had made this clear many times over....

...Brexit is leaving the EU, in it's entirety. No Single Market, no Customs Union, staying in a Customs Union prevents us from trading with the rest of the World, which has a far more bigger and productive market, that is in terms of market share, the EU is a shrinking financial bubble. We're paying a membership fee just for paltry benefits. We put more in than we get out, rather than some of the other 28 Countries are putting less in but getting more out.... 28 Countries in the EU, (Soon to be 27 when we finally leave) and we are one of only 10 who puts in more than we get out.

Not sustainable, time to leave the club in which we carry other Countries.

Ok, think you might be disappointed then. The penny is dropping for even the hard Brexiteers, hence Boris's 'meltdown' speech.

You can always blame May/Corbyn/the EU/Clinton/immigrants

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The Electoral Commission is and the House of Commons has asked Banks to give evidence. Companies House has also compelled him to publish accounts of his holding company so we can better understand how his companies are funded.
MPs are also understandably calling for a police investigation.

Really?

That's a lot of effort and money being used to chase somebody down. Maybe they can find other 'persons of interest' or a few other 'companies' to investigate too . . or is it a Brexiteer only mission?

They can start by sweeping through London to make things easier for the poor overworked souls

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

Really?

That's a lot of effort and money being used to chase somebody down. Maybe they can find other 'persons of interest' or a few other 'companies' to investigate too . . or is it a Brexiteer only mission?

They can start by sweeping through London to make things easier for the poor overworked souls

Sorry, Brexiters are not above the law and if they fail to comply with legislation the appropriate regulators will act, as they will with anyone else.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Sorry, Brexiters are not above the law and if they fail to comply with legislation the appropriate regulators will act, as they will with anyone else.

Yep, the Liberal Democrats (very much Remain) were fined last year for a breach of campaign finance rules in the referendum - https://www.electoralcommission.org....-finance-rules

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Why don't you agree with the cross-department expertise that the Brexit-orientated British Government has employed? Do you think your Brexit Government has deliberately picked an incompetent bunch of pessimists when they could have easily chosen a bunch of people with your outlook but would firm up some calculations to support such wildly optimistic views?
Or do you think that they've actually got a great bunch of experts who've looked into things deeply, crunched the numbers exhaustively and come up with some very probable scenarios which to Brexiters like BoJo are an uncomfortable truth.

Andrew, we've been over these pessimistic forecasts time and again. Even those compiled by the most trusted of sources have got it wrong every time.

As I said, whether or not Brexit is forecast to be a success or a disaster rather depends what assumptions you put into the calculation in the first place. Put rubbish in, and you get rubbish out.

I say again, the government is committed to getting a good trade deal (no tariffs),with the EU, which is already in the bag, to getting out of the customs union and single market.

If you dare to think, just for one minute, that the government succeeds in getting what it wants, what is it exactly, that is going to impoverish us as you want us all to think?

FORMULA: TRADE WITH EU LITTLE CHANGED + MORE TRADE FROM NEW TRADE DEALS = MORE DOSH FOR LITTLE BRITAIN.

Seems straight forward enough for me. The trouble is that you and your fellow remainers just cannot bring yourselves to believe that TM's government will achieve its aims on Brexit. However, I guess seeing is believing but don't complain that I didn't tell you so when we get to 2019.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Wrong continent, Old Boy.

The world is smaller than you think, old chap!

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

... good trade deal (no tariffs),with the EU, which is already in the bag

This is news to a lot of people. So the UK has a permanent trade deal with the EU already agreed and that this deal has no tariffs? How come you know this but Mrs May and the Cabinet seem not to?

If we have a deal why the endless naval gazing and infighting?

OB, you are pulling our legs, right? Sort of Brexit joke?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Andrew, we've been over these pessimistic forecasts time and again. Even those compiled by the most trusted of sources have got it wrong every time.

As I said, whether or not Brexit is forecast to be a success or a disaster rather depends what assumptions you put into the calculation in the first place. Put rubbish in, and you get rubbish out.

I say again, the government is committed to getting a good trade deal (no tariffs),with the EU, which is already in the bag, to getting out of the customs union and single market.

If you dare to think, just for one minute, that the government succeeds in getting what it wants, what is it exactly, that is going to impoverish us as you want us all to think?

FORMULA: TRADE WITH EU LITTLE CHANGED + MORE TRADE FROM NEW TRADE DEALS = MORE DOSH FOR LITTLE BRITAIN.

Seems straight forward enough for me. The trouble is that you and your fellow remainers just cannot bring yourselves to believe that TM's government will achieve its aims on Brexit. However, I guess seeing is believing but don't complain that I didn't tell you so when we get to 2019.

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The world is smaller than you think, old chap!

Why do you assume that your uncalculated calculations are better than those of our hard-working economists? These people weren't Project Fear and they don't have the appalling record that you attribute to them. They have modelled all leave scenarios and all come out worse than staying in the EU. It really isn't that hard to grasp.

It's something like a maximum 0.7% uplift from the bold new deals that you talk about and a 5% decrease in trade with the EU.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

This is news to a lot of people. So the UK has a permanent trade deal with the EU already agreed and that this deal has no tariffs? How come you know this but Mrs May and the Cabinet seem not to?

If we have a deal why the endless naval gazing and infighting?

OB, you are pulling our legs, right? Sort of Brexit joke?

I think Old Boy posted this after a tough Quidditch match!

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Why do you assume that your uncalculated calculations are better than those of our hard-working economists? These people weren't Project Fear and they don't have the appalling record that you attribute to them. They have modelled all leave scenarios and all come out worse than staying in the EU. It really isn't that hard to grasp.

It's something like a maximum 0.7% uplift from the bold new deals that you talk about and a 5% decrease in trade with the EU.

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I think Old Boy posted this after a tough Quidditch match!

i think Andrew's still brexsulking !

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

This is news to a lot of people. So the UK has a permanent trade deal with the EU already agreed and that this deal has no tariffs? How come you know this but Mrs May and the Cabinet seem not to?

If we have a deal why the endless naval gazing and infighting?

OB, you are pulling our legs, right? Sort of Brexit joke?

No, I heard Barnier confirm that we would get a tariff free deal with the EU on the BBC News, and here is a report that confirms it. There are others.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-EU-trade-deal

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

No, I heard Barnier confirm that we would get a tariff free deal with the EU on the BBC News, and here is a report that confirms it. There are others.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-EU-trade-deal

That article doesn’t mention "tariff free" - it states "tailor-made” trade deal".

And it’s from the 20th December 2017

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

That article doesn’t mention "tariff free" - it states "tailor-made” trade deal".

And it’s from the 20th December 2017

I thought BoJo was a tad desperate the other day until I saw this historical link from The Express of all sources! Old Boy, you really are getting desperate for evidence but even going back six months you are failing to find anything that supports your statements!

The reality is that as the article explains "Mr Barnier has repeatedly spoken about how the only option available to Britain is a Canada-style free trade deal because of Theresa May’s red lines over free movement and the ECJ."

So, that will exclude services which account for most of our exports to the EU but include manufactured goods thereby allowing the Germans to carry on selling us their cars and the French their wine.

Whether we ever get to that stage given the Irish border situation is of course another matter.